The Kraken

Good. Our average attendance last season dropped by around 600 from the previous year. And it was around 1,500 down on our all time Premier League average high. All that, despite having our most successful season in Premier League history and playing a remarkably entertaining brand of football. Talking up the prospect of a new, bigger stadium would show a complete lack of prioritisation of issues, and a flagrant disregard for business sense.

Again, I just don't see it that way, not without any evidence. I genuinely don't believe there's been a change in distribution of points through the division, it's kind of always been this way for at least as long as the Premier League era in my mind.

Chambery. Grenoble. Charles de Gaulle. Toulouse. Basically, the French ones. Although Nice was, erm, nice.

Sorry, what point are you making here? Surely not that Everton have not been given a bloody nose before and come through it just as strong?

I'm not sure if its that simple. I don't think the points distribution has changed much, just by performing a very quick and random look. Have a look at the very first Premier league, 1992-93. Mid-table of a 22 league was 11th (Chelsea) and they stayed up by 7 points. Tottenham finished 10th in 96 and stayed up by 6. In most seasons it was more, but by way of comparison 10th this year was Newcastle and they stayed up by 16 points.

When was the tipping point? Up to what point was this not the case?

I didn't dismiss your opinions at all. You're welcome to them just as much as I'm free to think that they're speculative nonsense. My "counter argument", which it isnt it's just another opinion, is further up this thread.

A post full of blatant assumptions and factually incorrect information.

That's kind of where I'm at. Not fantastically optimistic about progressing much further but it's definitely possible, it all depends just how much money will be made available to replace what I see as some inevitable departures. But even if the side has the arse ripped out of it, there really should still be enough to stabilise and sustain a top 10 side this season. Which I'd have seen as a decent result anyway if we lost no players.

I'm not sure how you can gauge anything in terms of numbers from my comments. Other than it is "people". I don't know how many (and couldn't care less, to be honest), but yes, the likelihood is that there are far more realists than Champions League daydream believers.

Of course there is. Where did I say otherwise?

I'm not sure how those two opinions can be presented as being mutually exclusive.

People still seem shocked that Cortese's dream of a self financed Champions League surge came to nothing. Anyone who bought into this dream must have wondered where the extra money was going to come from. If not then they were just happy to be seduced by empty rhetoric.

No thanks.

No there aren't. There just aren't, and it's an utterly ridiculous thing to say.

That's a decent little montage. Quite easy to forget how good some of his goals were. Also easy to forget just how brilliant the whole sash kit looked.

I think the first two posts of that thread nail it. "What's he been banned for this time then?" Being an unfunny ****. I can understand why Boj doesn't like him.

...but you can't have a Forren, they cost extra...

"Not to be too harsh on the player, but for £25m a club could buy two Adam Lallana’s abroad." It's not spot on. This would be a bit more accurate. "Not to be too harsh on the player, but for £25m a club could buy two Adam Lallana’s abroad. That said, it could also get you a Gaston Ramirez and a Dani Osvaldo".

And Sturridge has contributed nothing to any of Suarez's goals? Or is that only one way?

And there is no "c" in Kraken, no matter how many times you try to insert it, "shallet".

It does, but it also gets you Andreea Cornelius (almost). And Iago Aspas. Or Danny Graham. Or Thiago Ilori. We won't talk about Stevan Jovetic at £22M. Or Roberto Saldado. Or Eric Lamela. The list goes on. And £27M in the Premier League gets you Marouanne Fellaini. Value is nowhere.

:lol: Classic MLG! 1) Post something incorrect. 2) Get called up on it. And get quoted on it. 3) Don't answer the ensuing replies. Instead, edit the original post. 4) Try to pretend the original error never happened, and hope no-one noticed. 5) TBC Deny it happened in the first place. Classic MLG, absolutely classic.

We bought him for £10M and he has utterly excelled in the Premier League. Never mind that it's Saints. Which other Centre Back who is equally highly rated in the Premier League could be bought for £20M?

I think you've made a mistake. Unless Saints are breaking the bank by offering him the same deal??