The Kraken

Ask which award the players most want to win. Its the PFA award, because it comes from their peers. It may not be hugely scientific but it comes from a source who actually play games against the people they are voting for, and therefore it has an entirely unique aspect to it.

I think he was just again being an argumentative nerd, just for the sake of it. Once again by blundering into a conversation without actually fully understanding what it was about.

Please don't go all MLG. Mine was a response to a direct question of "what does Green have that Davis doesn't". As an answer to that, its irrefutably correct. It wasn't intended as a complete overview of both players' careers or abilities; just a very quick reference point as to why its more likely I'd choose Green ahead of Davis right now.

Yet again you miss the point in a continuous effort to appear contrary. Question: What has Rob Green got that Kelvin Davis hasn't? Me: Several England caps and several years of Premier Leagu experience including being voted in the PFA PL team of the year. You: No, no, no, that doesn't make any sense! KD won the Championship PFA team of the year last year. Your argument has some merit. Just not to the particular question asked. Which was, I repeat, "what does Rob Green have that Kelvin Davis doesn't". Give an opinion for once, I just asked this of Greenridge. If we had neither Rob green nor Kelvin Davis on our books and could only sign one, who would you sign? Can you answer that one?

For one year, KD attracted more votes for keeper of the year than RG. Do you know how many by? I don't. If it was a fairly close vote, then you could almost say they had about an even season, perhaps slightly skewed towards Kelvin. But we don't know that. In any case; KD's previous history at top level is thoroughly dismal. Relegation with Sunderland for the 1 year he was there, and according to club and fans he had a shocker. That's all the experience he has at this level. Rob Green has a few more seasons in the top league, and has done enough to play for his national team for a number of years. He is also some 4 years or so younger. Are you saying, if we had neither keeper on our books and could only sign one, that you would sign Davis over Green?

We would lose every game and probably not score a goal.

Do you ever add anything to anything but contradiction? And yet you never seem to offer an opinion of your own. I provided an example of Rob Green being recognised by his peers at the highest league level. It was in response to a question of "what does Rob Green offer than Kelvin Davis doesn't". Was what I provided factually incorrect?

Several years of Premier League experience, including being voted in the PFA Premier League team of the year. Appearing for his country 12 times. If Green isn't a step above what we already have then I can dread to think what the expectation level is amongst some of our fans.

I think you (and others on this thread) have brought up some very valid issues which, quite frankly, wouldn't normally be brought to the attention of most supporters. I'll happily say that my opinion has been reversed since initially reading through (and posting on) this thread. At first glance it seemed the club weren't doing too much wrong. And, to be fair, I still don't think they are doing THAT much wrong. But, once again, the club have completely let themselves down by a lack of dialogue and some poor PR. As you rightly say, if there were major changes to be made then its only right that those changes could and should have been made public well in advance. From comments heard on here; its obviously a disgrace if headsets and radios are provided that consistently don't work. So hopefully that is something that will be addressed. The issues of pricing etc, well that is very subjective but after seeing the prices other PL clubs I'm concerned that ours are very much in the highest bracket. But then we don't know the full facts with that table (with respect to enabler tickets etc) so its unfair to comment on that. In any case, its a little sad that a lack of dialogue has let SFC down; will they ever learn the art of customer service?! I somehow doubt they don't know and don't care too much, unfortunately. And if what you say is right; that they attached the name of the Saints Disabled Association without real full input, then that's plainly not right.

Rob Green is a better keeper than Kelvin Davis.

Er, no. Read the last line:

Well perhaps that's good marketing strategy if they shift a majority of away shirts in the UK and their foray into the Asian market sells a majority of red home shirts. And I mentioned red to point out that its not the same as a Saints fan being expected to buy a blue home shirt; what with connotations with local rivals.

http://www.wolves.co.uk/page/BackroomStaff/0,,10307~2399579,00.html Kitmen - Trevor Wynne and Steve Morton

Pat, what are you on about? Dave Watson has never worked for Manchester City. He coached Joe Hart while he was at Birmingham (and will do now for England), and he obviously coaches Jack Butland at Brum when he's not out on loan. Other than Joe Hart being a City player, Man City will have no imfluence over Butland at the Euros.

Once again; I'm not saying I agree with what Cardiff are doing. I'd probably be kicking up a stink if Saints did it. But, from a neutral point of view, I can kind of see why they are: - they are supposed to be £70M in debt. - they are supposed to be losing up to £1M a month. - the new investment will look to turn the debt into equity and invest in the training ground and potentially stadium. You mention Leeds did their changes under Revie as evolution; I really don't see much different to this. The change of nickname is just one step further than that. Cardiff want to improve their club on and off the pitch, and they think this way is the best way to do it. The standard reaction is: "imagine if Saints were being made to play in blue, I'd never put up with it". But it's not really a valid comparison. A lot of Cardiff fans will already be used to wearing red, as its their national colour. It's more of a comparison to expect Saints to start wearing a white kit; which we pretty much did a couple of years ago with minimal fuss (and for which I've heard plenty of people say they would like to see us wearing the sash as a full time first team kit). Cardiff fans will be used to the dragon on the new badge, as its the same dragon that was on their old badge (albeit now more prominent) and it is a national emblem. The renaming of "The Bluebirds" to "The Dragons"; that's probably the worst part of it. Although I imagine the club's supporters will keep calling themselves Bluebirds and keeping the chant going, so informally I don't expect that to take off any time soon, although gradually (non Cardiff supporting) people will get used to the new references to "The Dragons" in the media and on TV.

I think SFC's approach to disabled tickets is actually very good. 1 disabled ticket (which is at the lowest rate) also includes 1 free enabler ticket; so, take a mate, split the cost and each pay half price for a ticket. For visually impaired, radios and headsets are included in the ticket price. There is specially designed areas for 168 wheelchair spaces in the stadium. There is an additional 88 seats for ambulant disabled (i.e. still regiastered disabled but can walk). There are designated stewards who will help with getting refreshments etc for disabled supporters who come without an enabler. That's all just in the home end, the away end has the same facilities but obviously on a smaller scale. So I think any criticism of the club in this area is harsh. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/DisabledFans/0,,10280,00.html

Personally I'm more worried about all the other targets we've clearly missed out on after going on this wild goose chase for so long.

Yep, except for the fact that Dave Watson works for Birmingham City.

Absolutely brilliant. He starts this thread prior to one of Saints' best starts ever in a league campaign. Kind of sums it up really. For the record: we signed Jack Cork on 11th July, Steve de Ridder on 22nd July, Danny Fox on 11th August and Jos Hooiveld on 31st August.

Pilgrim House for Chinese is supposed to be excellent; although I have never been so I cannot personally verify this.

Again, I can't be certain either way, but its a theory that was put forward, and we'll soon see.

I haven't been able to find any information on it, so I'm speculating either way. However, my understanding is that it came out shortly before PFC went into administration that the stage payments were NOT a contractual requirement of the CVA. It was only the final date of April 2015 that meant anything. Like I say I have nothing to back that up, but that's the way I've understood it for a while. As for Baker Tilley being the liquidators and therefore are the unsecured creditor for the £16.5M, again I'm not so certain of that either! I've heard argument that if the CVA gets renegotiated then the original administrator (UHY) is in control of it, and therefore retains the voting rights. That's just a theory I've seen put out there; I guess we'll find out either way on all of this soon enough.

No it didn't. You simply cannot 100% guarantee that a new owner won't yet come in a repay all of the debt. Until a new CVA is drafted that also encompasses the debts owed by CVA-1, the original CVA has not yet failed.

Yeah, I know that's where it came from. My point was, I'm sure there was discussion that showed that although those stage payments were listed in the CVA document they were not actually set in stone. I'm sure that before going into administration PFC were already talking about delaying the CVA repayments, without penalty. There is a clause in that document, on page 9, which states that Newco will be given 4 years and 3 months to pay the outstanding consideration into the liquidation; and that, from memory, was the line that confirmed that the percentage stage payments were not actually a contractual requirement of the CVA, it was only final figure in 2015 that mattered.