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Liverpool have the clout to do that though. we don't. We usually have to wait until near the end of the window once a few moves have already happened, as players realise that their agent isn't going to get them a better move than struggling little old Southampton.

So the orange one turns peach then. Will be interesting to see how this plays out, but given the spread of the votes yesterday it seems inevitable that the Republicans in the senate will vote it down. And even if they don't, Trump's installation of his own man as Attorney General will ensure that he will be acquitted. It will most likely just galvanise his base support for the 2020 election.

There seems to be a recurring theme with 90s Saints players called Neil ballooning in weight in later life. Anybody know what Heaney and Maddison are up to these days?

Considering we've only been in the playoffs once since the Grand Harbour was built, it doesn't take a genius to work out which manager you're referring to

Season 4 of The Expanse is available now on Amazon Prime. I'm 2 episodes in already and the production is just mind blowing.

That's not what I said at all is it.

I was waiting for a hospital appointment yesterday afternoon and overheard a cleaner and a receptionist discussing the election. The cleaner said "I voted for Boris because things can't possibly get any worse than what they are now can they". While I understand why many people were not too enamoured with the Labour leadership, some of the moronic reasons I have heard/seen people come out with for voting Tory are disheartening to say the least. The fact that such an obvious charlatan as Johnson can manage to convince so many working class people that he actually gives a **** about their life prospects is a sad indication that elections can be swayed by PR instead of substance.

Because it was a ridiculously one-sided coalition, totally unlike the kind we would get under a PR voting system, that was responsible for instigating the programme of austerity that has caused so much damage to the moral fabric of this country.

Oh I get it. The old football cliche of "you can only beat what's in front of you" clearly applies here. I'm just aghast that somebody could even contemplate the thought that Johnson might actually deliver on his promises, given his track record of being such an awful excuse for a human being.

That's the serial liar, cheat, fridge-hiding, phone-stealing human soundbite who can't even remember what promises he made a week ago Boris, yeah?

Pretty damning really.

Yep, I acknowledge that. Of course plenty of people would have voted differently (ie not tactically) if they knew that their vote would actually count for something. It seems to work pretty well for plenty of other countries. It ensures that all views are represented, rather than handing total power to the party with the biggest vote share. Makes perfect sense to me. Not forgotten about that at all. The graphic simply shows what the seat distribution would look like on the basis of the votes cast yesterday. Like I already said to hypo, of course I recognise that those vote shares would have been different if everybody knew they were voting in a PR system. Of course. All the time it benefits the two main parties to keep FPTP, they will resist any and all attempts to reform it. Allowing the parties who benefit from it to decide whether or not to scrap it is ridiculous. Just another reason why our entire governmental system is outdated and unfit for purpose.

They got 43% of the vote, but have ended up with 56% of the seats in parliament. This means that even accounting for a handful of rebels in the party, they can push through whatever legislation they want without needing to rely on support from other parties. The net result of this is that over 50% of the electorate effectively have no representation in parliament.

Simply not true. In the last 3.5 years I've seen and spoken to plenty of people who voted leave but have now changed their minds because we were so badly informed in 2016.

No doubt, but there is simply no way of knowing. There were probably a lot of people who voted remain but still went with the Tories this time round because they could never bring themselves to vote for anyone else. The point is that this election result doesn't prove that Brexit is still the will of the people. Only a second ref can confirm that, but it's clearly not going to happen now.

A (very slim, admittedly) majority of the electorate voted for parties backing a 2nd ref. But FPTP means we have ended up with a huge parliamentary majority for a party pushing for a hard Brexit. The notion that they are carrying out 'the will of the people' is false.

The combined total of the Tories and Brexit party vote share was 45.6% The combined total of the Labour, LD, SNP and Green vote share was 50.3% FPTP really does f*cking suck, doesn't it.

Raab and IDS looking like they might lose theirs as well.

This is the only sma consolation for me. But then, BoJo doesn't really know what he wants regarding Europe does he, given that he was supporting remaining in the EU right up until the point when he realised backing leave was most likely to get him into Number 10.

Meh. Not the result I wanted, obviously. But if this exit poll is on the money, as they usually are, then I'll just have to suck it up and make the best of things. A total disaster for Labour - potentially their worst result since Michael Foot in 1983. Pretty devastating for Corbyn against the worst, most inept and spineless leader the Tories have ever elected.

Since I started to take a genuine interest in politics around the time that Blair stepped down and actually bothered to go and vote, I have floated between Lib-Dems, Green and Labour. I usually vote Green in local council elections, as the current Labour council in Sheffield has acted appallingly in recent years, especially in the way it has dealt with the tree protests. I also voted Green in the EU elections in May, and helped to get our former mayor Magid elected thanks to proportional voting. I now live in a safe Labour stronghold, so a vote for anyone else in a GE under our ridiculous FPTP system is completely wasted.

Respect to you. Despite our obvious political differences, I think it's important for people to encourage others to make their voice heard. If people don't bother to vote then they have no right to moan if/when things don't go their way.

Well whatever happens today, and whichever side of the political divide we position ourselves, let's take a moment to all come together to reflect on the fact that, for reasons known only to him, David Cameron has never bothered to delete this tweet from the eve of the 2015 election... https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/595112367358406656?s=19 Seems like such a long time ago now.

You mean vote out the man who wrote a book in which he labelled them 'Hook-noses' and claimed they control the media?