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What is it about the liberals you despise? And what is it about New Labour that you consider to actually be socialist? I know that you and I have differing views and I'm not in any way trying to bait you or anything, I'm genuinely interested to hear your thoughts that's all.

So you accept that I was actually being quite gracious, and that other people appear to be bitter, yet you still found it necessary to attack me and my post? I suggest you have a read of this book Corp... It might give you some pointers about where you are going wrong.

That may be true in some areas dune, but not all. There is a place here in Sheffield called Sharrow where there is a large chinese element living in the area, as well as polish, asian, african-carribbean etc.. But there is also a large contingency of white british people living there who do not in any way feel threatened by their immigrant and immigrant-descended neighbours. In fact a lot of the indigenous population, as you and all the rest of your fellow BNP-supporters like to describe us, love the fact that they have so many different cultures in their vicinity. Yesterday was the annual Sharrow Lantern Carnival. The whole community turns out on the streets to take part and the atmosphere of it is fantastic. Come and check it out next year and then try, in all good conscience, to tell me or anybody else present that the multicultural experiment has failed. You will find that nobody is listening to you if you do.

I think the point in this situation is quite relevant though. Most vegetarians I know choose vegetarianism because they disagree with the factory farming of animals. If this is the case with our minister for the meat and livestock industry then there is something seriously wrong IMO.

Well f**k you then Ho you warped little ***t. I was actually trying to be magnanimous by saying that I was impressed with your fans yesterday, and only asking you to comment on whether you felt you deserved to win or if you actually got a bit of a helping hand. Why does that make me bitter? I accept that there was a possibility that Bobby Stokes was offside in 76, and if he was then yes we probably got a bit lucky. Unfortunately the only video of the incident available is form an angle that makes it very difficult to judge, and seeing as I was only born the previous year, I was not actually at Wembley or able to make a judgement on it there and then. I ask you for your comments and you have to go totally on the defensive claiming that we are all bitter and twisted about it, but that is only in your mind. Your problem, you snivelling little cvnt, is that you only read what you want to read out of people's posts. I try to be civil to people on this board, really I do. But I'm afraid that all of the abuse you get on here you bring on yourself and you deserve every bit of it.

OK, this is a fair comment dune, but then you have to take into account why the farmers need to drive wages down in the first place. Farmers in this country, despite providing the entire population with the most basic of essentials - food, are treated like utter sh1te by big businesses. The supermarket chains dictate to them how much their products are worth and how much they can sell their stock for. The money they actually make back is a pittance compared to other european countries, so they are forced to hire the absolute cheapest labour they can to minimise their outgoings. So is this the fault of the farmers? The immigrants? The supermarket chains, or government policy for allowing this situation to develop? I think the problem is that we have become used to a certain standard of living in this country, a standard that is way above that of some of our poorest european neighbours. Too many people take too many things for granted in the UK, and if immigrant workers are prepared to come in and do the jobs that our own people refuse to take then who can blame them for that? If we stopped the immigrant workers from coming in to the UK and doing the menial jobs, our own people would still refuse to do those jobs and then the farms/factories etc... would be out of business completely if they could not get people in to fill the positions. Like it or not - we need immigrant workers.

David Wil**** is, IMO, another David Icke. He talks a lot of sense on a lot of topics, and many videos I have seen of his have really opened my eyes to a few things. But his constant harping on about being the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce does start to get tiresome. And if you watch his talks, a lot of the time when he takes questions from the audience he does seem to be making up the answers as he goes along. Still worth watching though. Search on youtube for 'The 2012 enigma' - it's in 10 parts - and watch the whole bit where he talks about the relevance of the pineal gland in religious symbolism, and you come away thinking that there has to be some substance to what he is saying.

Can I just say, firstly, that despite what a lot of posters on here continue to insist, I thought your fans did you proud yesterday. Can I also just ask you to comment on how lucky you got to win that game 2-0? Your first goal should never have happened as Dawson would easily have got to the ball before Piquionne but slipped over cos of the awful pitch. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the disallowed Spurs equaliser that I could see, and the replays clearly show for the penalty incident that the Spurs defender won the ball. You got a massive, massive helping hand from both the Wembley groundsmen (who must surely face the Spanish Inquisition after the travesty of both semi-finals this weekend) and a referee who was either incompetent or corrupt.

+1. The only other politician I ever really had any great respect for is sadly no longer with us - Mo Mowlam.

Very good post. We (by that I mean the entire species) may think that we have a decent understanding of time and space, but the fact is we do not. We seem to think that time is a linear constant but there appears to be plenty of evidence to the contrary. Time is affected by gravity, meaning that on our little gravity-producing rock, caught in the gravitational pull of the sun, time would appear completely different than it would outside of those constraints. Time is also affected by speed. There was an experiment done not so long ago where two atomic clocks were synchronised perfectly with one another. One was kept in the lab and the other was taken on a long haul flight and returned to the lab, whereupon it was behind sync with the one that had been kept in the lab. The experimenters measured the average speed at whcih the slower clock had travelled and worked out that if you work out the ratio between the speed and the time distance then multiply that speed all the way up to the speed of light then time would in essence stop. We see our universe as having 3 dimensions of space and 1 dimension of time. But it has been hypothesised that once you reach the speed of light, this is reversed and you would find yourself in 3 dimensions of time and 1 dimension of space. All these things are so completely outside our understanding of physics (as we know it) that it would take centuries for us to ever fully comprehend it - if ever. I think it is perfectly possible that other advanced civilisations have already mastered this stuff and are able to use this to travel huge distances, but I guess we'll never know in my lifetime.

I wouldn't bother. dune loves to pigeon-hole people. He seems to think that anybody who is even the slightest bit concerned about the environment must automatically be a yoghurt-knitting, labour voting hippy.

Nope. I've had a thorough read back through the thread and I can't see one single example of somebody accusing you or anybody else directly of being racist because of your concerns over current immigration policy. All I can see is an instance of you completely twisting Sadoldgit's words and trying to make out that this is what he was saying, when in fact this was far from the truth. It seems that this whole attitude "those who dare to question immigration are deemed racist" is a total myth that is used by people, including you, to paint themselves as some kind of victim.

Please understand my meaning. I have never accused somebody who disagrees with the current government's immigration policy automatically of being racist. I have never assumed that just because somebody considers turning to the BNP as a protest against the 3 major parties means they are by association racist. I understand fully that things are never as (pardon the pun) black and white as that. I can't stand to see people being accused of being racist when they are clearly not and are being accused of it by people who don't truly know what it means. I am more than aware of the difference between racial ignorance and racial hatred. But when it comes to the founder members and candidates of the BNP who between them have more than a handful of convictions for race-hate related crimes, I think it is more than fair to use the term 'racist' as they personify the term fully IMO. I feel I have been more than clear on this already.

By who? Serious question - who has actually accused you outright of being racist because of your opposition to Labour's previous immigration policy?

dune, for starters you really have to question just how much they have skewed the figures to show that graph. Lies, damned lies and statistics and all that. But then you have to look at some of the language used in that article and you soon realise that this could not in any way be described as balanced reporting. It was clearly written by someone with an extreme right-wing agenda, so I would seriously question the validity of the figures he has used to back up his argument.

Do some research on the criminal convictions of the leading members of the BNP, then come back and tell me that I'm wrong if you can. If I am alienating them, as you put it, it is only because I strongly believe that people need to be aware of the hidden agenda of those they are voting for.

This is another myth that the BNP like to perpetuate to boost their agenda. If you bother to do some research you will find that the current Labour government HAVE changed their immigration policy quite drastically over the last couple of years.

For the record Delldays, I too am not entirely happy about the previous open-door policy of the current Labour government (which has now been reversed if people actually bother to check) but I just don't consider it one of the most important issues when deciding who to vote for. My stance is precisely that of Sadoldgit's above; I am in favour of immigration as I believe people should be allowed to live and work wherever they please, but it should be controlled immigration. By that I mean we should be making it less attractive for such large numbers of immigrant workers to come here to work by doing away with benefits such as child-support payments for children still living in their home land. The BNP's proposal is to stop all immigration completely and to deport many immigrants, including some second and third generation, who are already living here. My brother has a thai wife and their son was born in thailand but lives here in London, so under the BNP's scheme he would not be allowed to live here any more and would be forcibly removed back to thailand. So on that basis, and ignoring the racist, violent past of the party members, I could never vote for a party that proposed such a radical change to immigration in this country.

Hang on a second Delldays, you need to read my posts again and read what I actually said and not just what you think or want me to have said. I am definitely NOT one of those people that automatically shouts racist at people. Absolutely not; it really irks me when I hear people throwing that term around without actually understanding either the true meaning of the word or the actual attitude of the person who they throw the accusation at. However, I will state without fear of contradiction that the BNP are a bunch of racists - as proved by the criminal convictions of some of their members. That does not mean that anybody who votes for them is, ergo, racist themselves and I have never made such an assertion. My only wish is that more people who consider the BNP to be a credible alternative to the major parties, based on nothing more than their stance on immigration, should do a little research and understand the history and true agenda of what is essentially a legitimised white supremacist group. Please don't twist my words and accuse me of things which are absolutely not true.

I've read his post back a couple of times and I'm 100% certain that is not what he is saying at all. Seems to me that he is just pointing out that despite their protestations, the BNP are a bunch of convicted racists, and that a vote for them because you disagree with the amount of immigration over the last decade or so is highly irrational.

A very colourful character who wasn't afraid to go against the norm and speak his mind. Not everyone's cup of tea - he often came across as a bit up his own ar3e, but no more so than Lydon IMO. A very talented musician who brought joy to many and whose unique perspective on the music industry is sadly lacking in this day and age. Congratulations on all you achieved Malcolm, and may you rest in peace.

I agree wholeheartedly. The problem being that these people you speak of seem to be taken in by the BNP's veneer of respectability. If everybody who was thinking of turning to them for the reasons you mention above could scratch the surface and discover the true history of the party members and their colourful pasts, they might think twice before putting their cross next to a group of convicted thugs.

Religious institutions don't like this stuff as they completely contradict their view of creation. Most of the ancient Mayan books on astronomy and even religion were destroyed by the Catholic church after the Conqistadors conquered the entire continent, so that they could spread their message of Christianity more easily.

http://imaginingthetenthdimension.blogspot.com/2008/06/randomness-and-missing-96-per-cent.html

I am absolutely certain that ancient cultures on this planet were far more advanced than we are now, or at least more advanced than western science could ever give them credit for. Did they have some contact with alien visitors? There certainly appears to be plenty of evidence pointing to this. I read Zecharia Sitchin's Genesis Revisited which offers a theory that the book of Genesis has been mis-translated and actually refers to a race of aliens creating the human race by genetically engineering us using a primitive species of primate and their own DNA. This would certainly explain the missing link in human evolution, but unfortunately it doesn't explain why we are 99% genetically similar to chimpanzees. But reading up on the ancient Sumerians, they certainly had a knowledge of our solar system that modern astronomy has only recently caught up with - by that I mean in the last couple of centuries; bear in mind that this is a civilisation (the earliest human civilisation in fact) that existed around 3000BC - about four and a half thousand years before the invention of the telescope. The ancient Maya also had a knowledge of astronomy that was centuries in advance what western society could expect. They too also had no such things as telescopes, yet they built many huge structures that were designed to point towards planetary alignments that only happen once every 27,000 years. How could they possibly have known about this kind of stuff? The ancient Egyptians were clearly a very advanced culture. But perhaps the most surprising thing is that there are so many similarities between the Egyptians and the central/south american cultures that sprung up around the same time. They clearly could not have known about each other's existence 5000 years ago, but the similarities are clear for all to see.