Saintandy666

I was laughing so hard.

The media really just don't get Lulz Sec though. Check out Sky News here just a minute ago. Really shows the knowledge of their Anchor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG7IURgryjA 'The Louise Boat'.

Anyways back to the issue at hand(sort of). Lulzsec are back, and they just hacked the Sun. Site recovered now, but screenshot is here - Update: Suns website now redirects to Lulzsec's twitter account.

There are right wing views, left wing views and those of a third way and all those in between. The right wing does not suddenly become the centre ground political views.

And Dune, if your view set is centre ground, what the hell is right wing?! At least I can admit to being left of centre.

It doesn't matter how widespread your views are, it doesn't make them centre ground. The centre ground doesn't move with popular opinion. The political spectrum is fixed. Edit: And please, if you have a point to make, make it. Why resort to a personal swipe?

No, that's just your opinion. You aren't the centre ground.

You could make the same arguments for the slightly left of centre vote(which may I add is larger than the slightly right of centre vote as the Tory party effectively monopolises that). The real issue here though is that it's not big enough. Most people are in the centre, hence why parties always move to the centre come election time. If I were a conservative, I would be very worried about the collapse of the Lib Dem vote.

I wasn't questioning that, I'm well aware that we now know that in 2003 he had no Weapons of Mass Destruction. I was questioning the legitimacy and the provenance of your claims. My point stands. If what you say is true and the solid hard evidence that this intelligence was fabricated was THAT easily accessible and well known, it would have been leaked or discovered by now.

Not really, you have to move to the centre to win elections these days. Just look at New Labour.

It was said recently that NOTW targeted police officers in 'sensitive positions'. Bloody disgusting, and all under Coulson and Brooks' watch!

So you are saying that this massive conspiracy that the Labour government deliberately fabricated intelligence is just available to read by any old intelligence worker? You are saying it is THAT available and easy to find; and that the evidence of this hasn't been leaked and published by any of the press/political parties/enemies of the war. Come on now!

I wish everyone would stop with the ad hominem and stick to the actual issues.

It's not proven that it was fabricated. All we know is that there was bad intelligence.

Bang on. The Iraq War never would have happened without Tory MP votes.

Why always the nasty? Find something constructive to say. For what it is worth, Ed Miliband only became an MP in 2005 and has always spoken out against the Iraq War like much of the Labour party.

Brilliant contribution full of substance. For what its worth, in my opinion, Teresa May like the rest of the conservative party for the last couple of weeks looked right out of touch and out of place. They still haven't addressed the Coulson issue and the longer they leave it, the worse it will get.

At present, the Tom Baldwin attack back on Miliband is frankly pathetic and desperate. Nothing of note has been solidly proven against him and he has no history of being involved or connected to anything such as Coulson was when hired(also hired despite warnings from many people). It's all just desperate attacks not based in truth and frankly, no-one really cares! The war isn't something on Miliband personally either, it doesn't cloud his personal reputation. And also, nothing is actually proven on the Iraq war yet and frankly I don't even know why I am addressing this point. It is again a pathetic attempt to deflect from the issue. I.E How the hell did someone like Andy Coulson waltz straight into the heart of our political system?!

Interesting answer from Boris Johnson earlier when pressed to defend Cameron in press conference earlier. This is getting closer and closer to the PM every day. 'I’m not here to discuss government appointments. Those questions you must address to government. I don’t think there’s a very clear read across. This is a matter you must address to Number 10 Downing Street.' - http://blogs.ft.com/westminster/2011/07/boris-fails-to-defend-cameron/#axzz1STukI1Ed

Cameron won't have to resign unless: A. He was directly involved in this: which he wasn't. B. He had knowledge of Andy Coulson's doings/News Internationals doings that he is not admitting now. - possibly, we'll see.

Hold on Dune... you associate yourself with the EDL?!

He donates his fee to charity.

It would have to be someone on the left of the party or the coalition would collapse leading to a general election which Labour would win.

16 months is harsh, but I think he has realised the consequences of his actions. An intelligent person by the looks of it, but probably right spoilt and thought he could do whatever the hell he wanted. He has learnt now.

Glastonbury is in a different league and is also one of the few festivals that will sell out regardless of line-up.