Saintandy666

We are going to get a CB and a ST. No, I'm not in the know, I just think it's what we need and so Adkins will strengthen in those areas.

'As Max Hastings and Melanie Phillips have argued eloquently on these pages, this is the inevitable outcome of 30 years of Left-wing social experimentation, aimed deliberately at destroying the social fabric of our country.' Yes, Labour deliberately and maliciously went out to destroy the country. Jesus Christ, even if you don't agree with them, you have to say that they do what think is right! And hold on, 30 years... let's see 1981-2011. MOST OF THAT TIME WAS UNDER CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT. In particular... Ms Maggie Thatcher, and you bet she was a fan of 'left wing experimentation'. As for the rest, I don't think I can even begin to address it yet. It is too god damn ridiculous.

Massive fail! I'm not a particular fan of Hazel Blears though, something about her grates me.

I do sort of agree with your sentiments. I definitely think there is community work people on unemployed benefits could do. Just look at the Alphabet agencies of the 1930's in America. The CCC or the Civilian Conservation Corps. Basically, people who were unemployed were paid a basic wage(though low, a bit like benefits I guess) and were made to do community work in return. The CCC was all about forestry work though obviously it doesn't have to be restricted to that!

To be honest, life on benefits and in social housing isn't that cushty. But my point still is(even if they don't have dependent's), you can't just take away all the support because it won't help anything at all. You'll literally just end up with them on the streets again with even less of a stake in society. It'd lead to more trouble.

The people demanding the rioters lose all Benefits and Social housing are absolute morons. What about dependents? And just think for a moment... these people are basically rioting because they have nothing to lose and nothing else to do. If chuck all of them on the street with no money and no homes, what are they going to do? We need to start caring for everyone and that means going in to these communities and doing some good old education. Nope, normal justice will be fine. Send them to jail, give them community service. But once that is done, their debt as with all crimes is repaid to society and they should have another chance.

That's not really what he said. One of the other guys blamed state schools for the violence, so he pretty much said(paraphrase) 'hold on, private schools have produced their fair share of people that have caused problems for society'. Not really bashing them as such, more just putting the same bash back at the other guy.

Come on now. No need for this attack, even if you don't like his opinion.

It's in Essex.

£1.8m. We are really starting to flex some financial muscle. I really think we might do a Norwich this year. I can just feel it.

Right, okay... but get in a central defender now please!

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9560000/9560646.stm An insight.

Exactly. I hope he goes down for manslaughter because that is what it was.

Police station firebombed in Nottingham. Liverpool is flaring up again. However, Manchester has had it the worst tonight. Lives ruined. Totally unfair.

That's not what they used it to describe. They use the word Anarchy and Chaos interchangeably.

The misuse of the word Anarchy annoys me. Anarchy doesn't mean chaos. It simply means without state(or rule). Whether that is chaos is down to the individual political leanings, though personally I think it could be pretty chaotic.

Apparently kicking off in Southampton. Apparently a Job Centre has been broken into. And no, I'm not joking.

That just makes me sad

I'm not sympathising with the morons taking out the rioting. They are acting absolutely out of order and it must end. However, you have to ask why we have so many morons of this kind. And I like to think of it as the 'Abandoned Youth'. We must act fast to stop this now, but without setting some precedent that would be okay in some tinpot dictatorship. Then, we must move into these areas, rebuild and also address the issues of why this is happening. People aren't born like this, they become this because of what they are exposed to while growing up. As much as I am not a Tory, a bit of looking into Bejamin Disraeli's One Nation stuff is relevant here. We mustn't ignore the tensions brewing in these areas again. It's quite clear we have become two nations.

Apparently a Greggs on fire in Bristol.

They should be made to community service to clear up the areas they ruined to the value of which they stole and broke.

Ken Livingstone is right. We need to give these people a stake in society, a reason to exist. Bulldozing them down now will work in the short term, but if we just forget about them again once this is all over the problem will persist and you'll have the same situation again in a few years time.

Spread to Birmingham. I feel this may end up being similar to the French unrest in 2005 in the way it spreads and so on.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14448089.stm 'Arsenal have completed the signing of Southampton winger Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain on a long-term contract. The England Under-21 international joins for an undisclosed fee thought to be £12m up front with £3m in add-ons.'