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Then Rashford is a very bad example, as he grew up in the area with very poor parents, so can relate to exactly what he was supporting. I like Ricky Gervais and he does make some valid points sometimes, i like his stance of game killings for example. However the example our friend linked earlier is classic example of someone lapping up what someone they like has said because it confirms their view point without bothering to check any of the facts behind their claims.

not really sure what the link is between a footballer doing charity work and a comeidan cracking a few jokes at the expense of a priest.

Do you know what the difference is between a story and a claim?

I've included it because you opening question on this was claiming that anyone who quotes the bible was not original and using someone elses work. this is factually incorrect. You can quote the bible and have an original application, plenty of examples of this in history, quite different to our friend on this thread has simply shouted and point "Look what this guy said" without checking out any of his claims, it seems. Which was the point you seem to be failing to grasp. As for your second point, just 🤣 the good Samaritan story doesn't need to be checked out, because it was a story, a story Jesus used to illustrate the importance of kindness, kind of shows where you are with it all doesn't it, not quite at the races pal.

Your original question was every single time anyone quotes anything from the bible they are using someone else’s work and not being original. That simply isn’t true, you could build out a 20 minute talk or sermon from the Good Samaritan story, for example and apply that parable To people lives. That’s very different to quoting a few lines from a 11 minute speech by some bloke who you think is amazing, Because of confirmation bias, without checking his claims out properly. Which is what is going on here. Not hard to understand is it.

Yes really. The bible is more about principles, illustrations which you can then apply into your life. Of course some lunatics take it all literally but then some people will take a couple of lines from an inaccurate speech and pass it off as fact to suit their agenda.

Watching an interview with Gervais for example you don’t expect serious debate, you want humour and entertainment, which is exactly what you get. Not hard to work it out is it.

What do you expect? Most of the ones you list are trained actors, journalist or comedians who are coached to be good at public speaking and appealing to the masses. Most religious leaders are are naive men of cloth who have lived a cocooned life caring for their flock.

I think you’ll find I’ve never once said I’m right and you’re wrong, what I have questioned though is why you seem to be so entrenched in following the view of one man who claims something that is fundamentally not true. Apparently he is “brilliant” and something anyone with an open mind should watch. Well I watched his speech you posted, I’m as open minded as they come and it was completely inaccurate and full of anti religious propaganda. Still, each to their own, if that’s what you believe in, then crack on.sounds like you’re not open minded though as you haven’t researched any of the claims he makes.

That’s what the owners of blockbuster said when they heard a few of their customers were streaming films online. we must guard against complacency Steve.

Agreed. Happy to share mine. Even though some don’t appreciate it

First para : guess as no one else had replied yet you can’t give a view second para: not sure what your point is then, sharing a speech by someone saying that when pretty much everyone knows that’s not the case. you haven’t thought this through have you.

Since our performances have picked up his role as the after match “we can’t play like again” spokesmen and his best attribute as a player has become redundant. So time for everyone to move on.

He might be playing a bit of golf, I know the clubs are open again.

Probably fed up with the haters mate, can’t blame him.

Old news, Jim and I revealed this a week or so ago, I know Carlos posts in here do guess he saw our Posts

Yep and from that you are able to form your own view and formulate your own opinion. Not quote someone else’s verbatim, so what’s your point?

Get your own jokes. Oh wait for that you’d have to have a personality......

Having your own view of something is a real attribute of a human being pal, you should try it. do you believe god created India and is going to kill everyone from there?

No it isn’t, hope that helps

Maybe I credited you with a bit more intelligence than to literally quote word for word both a question and two possible scenarios from someone else’s dubious speech without putting any thought into it whatsoever. Still each to their own if you want to believe god created India and is then going to kill everyone from there because they aren’t Christian you crack on pal.

So none of what you're sauing is your view then, your view is the view of Sam Harris, your opinion is a mimickry of his centred around is incorrect speech, so much of which is flawed i didn't know where to start.

wouldnt you be a bit annoyed? created the world and give humans everything they need to live a great life, even watching his own son die as a sacrifice and all you ungrateful lot do is do is moan & complain and even say he doesn't exist. I guess there probably would come a point where you'd say f*ck 'em, wouldn't there.

any proof of your claims?

Yep, Or perhaps its considering so many dont believe in him any more you're own to sort your sh*t out for a bit. I'll be back when you realise you cant.