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Exactly! It didn't mention them, so how were they going to be able to self-fulfil a prophecy if they didn't know anything about it?!!

OKay so the only people self fulfilling the prophecy are the israelis, the ones on the border, also part of the prophecy, just happened to be there. EIther the entire prophecy is self fulfilling or none of it is

I didn't make anything up pal 1) Do you know what a 'self fulfilling prophecy' means? Because if someone is aware of an old prophecy and then people are actively working towards fulfilling it... it isn't in the slightest remarkable. 2) The Bible passage you quote is so vague and doesn't even have dates. Why does it not mention 1948? That would at least at least make it a little more impressive, but even if it did have dates that happened accurately I'd then refer you to my first point 3) You say 'as if by magic Israel became a nation'. The creation of Israel was due to people working to make it happen. How is that magic or divine intervention? Jews wanted it to happen... so they worked to make it happen" So Russia, Iran and Turkey must only be there because the are self-fulfilling a prophecy, a prophecy they didn't know anything about. Proper dense.

You really are dense. How would Russian, Iran and Turkey be self- fulfilling a prophecy they didn't know anything about?

So you’ve just blown apart your own argument about self fulfilling prophecy, people knowing of a prophecy so deliberately fulfilling it

Iran is a muslim country, they seem to be doing their bit to deliberately fulfil a bible prophecy.

No because it’s subjective. You’re asking me to speak on behalf of a higher being, okay I know I’m supremely talented which is a burden I have to carry but I can’t speak on behalf of god! Absurd you’d expect it.

You’ve respirated to a stand up comedian to support your views?

The term All powerful is relative.

I don’t know any of the answers to your questions because I would be speaking for someone else and there is no evidence as to what god knows about the future. So as you love and need evidence for everything I’m afraid I cannot answer.

That is due to imperfection. The design was perfect but Man was designed to be Adam and Eve, male and female but each generation is more imperfect than the last, so things like short sightedness and others ailments are common place. Due to sin and imperfection humans have become like a mass produced Chinese Verizon of a rolls Royce. It also explains why there are so many more gays and LGBTS than 2 or 3 generwti’ms ago.

Do ducks rape other ducks? Ridiculous thing to say.

Why do you think it is terribly designed?

Why do you think you have to avoid hell? What do you think happens when someone dies?

maybe you're looking in the wrong places?

I look forward to round 2 in April

There are none so blind as those that cannot see. IN any case, Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites, he doesn't like people who say one thing and do another, so you're screwed matty, best hope those computer games can save you.

I thought he looked in the games before that too, aside from Pompey, thought he looked a handful against Liverpool, he just hasn't managed to get a couple of goals yet.

Edit - okay just remember he didn't start that one. #fail

THe one against West Brom two years ago for starters.

Still going at 1.15am, this sure means a lot to you pal! As for this post, not really it's about you not what they do in a country 8000 miles away, besides, Jonny Boy has become a bit of a joke figure on here over the last 18 months with his increasingly desperate attempts to be the Jeremy Corbyn of mongboards. I guess that's why he sees you as a kindred spirit perhaps, I mean Jezza attended lots of pro terrorism rallies and claimed he didn't support the IRA and Hamas, and you celebrated Christmas but pretended you didn't. plus every time both of you speak you generally get proven wrong very easily.

Says the person who thinks the world should change the meaning of Christmas just so he doesn’t have to admit to celebrating it ???

She was given the chance you change the world and give birth to the son of god! Sorry Matthew the world isn’t going to change the meaning of Christmas just for you. Anyway, you’re not denying you wished people happy Christmas then? So you celebrated it, game set and match ?

1/ of course not, however there is no evidence she was 14, or what her age was at all, this just assumptions made years later. You’ve used this reasoning to defend your stance on this thread so to be consistent you need to accept this is the case 2/ you don’t believe it happened anyway 3/ you didn’t just visit them though did you. You ate a meal, drank and exchanged gifts, did you wish them a merry Christmas or did anyone wish you one? Some might say those activities constitute celebrating the occasion, not just visiting family like you could do any time of the year.