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Thank god for that now everyone can stop bleating about Hodgson hating saints and only reacting the the media.

Are you sure? Saints have been the darlings of the media this season with lots of plaudits from all corners for our play and the amount of English players. Surely if he didn't pick them it'd show he isn't being reactive to the media and public opinion?

And it's been like that for the last 30 years, Hodgson is doing a good job with what he has available.

One on Steve that would mean people forming their own opinions rather than the nodding dog to whatever the papers and talksport say routine.

Well said. One of the funniest comments I've read on here in the last couple of days was something like 'it's the champions league or nothing'. This from a club with one trophy to our name in 128 years. You can bet your life that if we did reach a cup final the champions league or nothing brigade will be the first ones whinging if they can't get a ticket to see a cup final they don't give a toss about.

The problem is too many of our fans think we are big time already. Comments prematch were hilarious about how our second string should still comfortably beat Sunderland.

So many of our fans seem to think we are big time before we're big time. It really is quite laughable.

Ahh so what you're saying is he didn't chose us over them for our league position. Glad you've finally realised!

Ha ha ha! Excellent try, when all else fails try and patronise. The last haymaker for the mongboarder who has been battered senseless and on the ropes. Night night sunshine.

Ahh so saints fed the stories to the papers! Did they also tell Ramirez agent what to say to the papers as well when he turned down spurs?

There are direct quote from agents there. What do you want? A copy of the offer from Liverpool to bologna and Molde? Just admit it you've made yourself look stupid again just like your shots on goal nonsense.

Ahh right so the offers didn't exist, it was all talk from someone with a motivation to make it appear that spurs and Liverpool wanted them. The back slapping on here about us beating Liverpool to players was all bulls*it then, glad we cleared that up.

I've provided links. Of course this might be just lazy, lying scumbag journos, it's difficult to know on this mongboard which stories we believe and the ones we don't.

Sure. Spurs as as well for Ramirez http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tottenham-target-gaston-ramirez-turns-1260256 http://metro.co.uk/2012/08/17/gaston-ramirez-snubs-spurs-and-liverpool-to-sign-for-southampton-540202/ http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/vegard-forren-to-liverpool-norwegian-defender-1534344 Now what was that about only signing due to league position?

Please explain.

So why did Ramirez and forren chose is over Liverpool?

But it's nonsense as it isn't a real choice. Surely the aim for every club, manager and Player is to win every game which by default means that you should try and win every completion you enter.

You're weird and haven't even read the thread properly. Go on have a go, see what I said about how seriously we should take this completion. You might also learn which player I was saying I was right about, here a clue, it ain't Ramirez.

But it isn't a choice is it. The premier league haven't given us one or the other, it's not either or is it.

Well I've be proven right (again) haven't i.

You really do have a huge sense of self importance don't you. Such a superiority complex.

Quite. I remember saying when we got promoted that he want good enough and got a torrent of abuse. Some said he was going to be a massive player for us and one of the funniest things I've ever seen was someone say that he was class and that his running and movement are brilliant, we just don't have the players good enough to pick him out, although this was only topped by Vectis Saint saying I didn't like him because he is Japanese and I must be racist! Simple fact is he his a million miles away from a premier league player and that has been blindingly obvious to anyone who knows even the tiniest bit about football.

As I've said dozen times, he's not any where near good enough.

He looked excellent against Barnsley. Strange to think what is effectively a second string still cost c£30m.

I looked into leasing and I do too many miles to qualify, if you do 10-15,000 then its not a bad option. Most of the guys at our place, myself included have got BMWs or Audis with our allowance, got them with about 50k on for about £10k and run them for about another 100k before chopping them in. Done 40k in mine and two services, a new set of brake pads and a new set of tyres are the only costs so far, so with the higher tax code, car allowance and fuel allowance I'm well up in terms of money in v maintenance costs. I'd really like an new/nearly new A5 but not really much point spending £25k on a car that will be worth 10% of that once I've racked up the miles on it so a few years old and second hand does seem to be the most efficient way of doing it.