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There is no grey area. Homosexuality is condemned in the bible and in the Quran. As time as moved on some leaders have from have to or chosen to accept gays, but a lot don't. If anyone who followed Christianity or Islam properly they would know this. They would know the book that their religion is based on condemns them. They may be born gay, but if they want to follow the faith properly then they should remain celebrate should they not? People may not like it and it might not sit well in the modern, all encompassing world you speak of but that is how it is. Why would someone choose to be part of a religion which condemns them? Why would someone want the blessing of that religion for a marriage that they don't approve of?

Barry Sanchez turns up on the mongboard, a few days later we are linked with Carlos Sanchez. There have been weaker conspiracy theories....

Behave.

Yep, I agree with this too. I find this strange if not hypocritical.

I think You'll find homosexuality is condemned in the bible and the Quran. The religions based on this do forbid it, however as time has gone on and society has become more liberal some of the leaders in those faiths have grown or been forced to accept homosexuality.

But you get to an age where you can. Loads of kids are brought up as a religion yet stop being part of it when they get a bit older and dont agree with the teachings, can't be bothered anymore or don't live their life the way the religion says they should. There are loads of kids that I went to school with who were like this. And if they are deeply buried in the doctrines and culture of a religon then they would surpress any homosexual desires and lead a celebite life if the religion condemned it or at th very least not openly be gay. I'm sure some will say 'why should they?' but it goes back again to are the devout or not. If they choose to be then Their faith would prevent them from willingly breaking any rules or principles of their church. Which brings me back to my point yet again which no one could answer. Why would a gay person want th blessing of a religon that condemns them and if they aren't following that religion properly why do they care, as they clearly aren't devout.

Well dealing with Cortese is going to just go swimmingly then!

A few of us that I go with at times have said is one of the things we lack sometimes, especially away or when protecting a lead is a good solid, tough tackiling midfielder to break the play up, like Mulumba did so well for West Brom against us.

Who said anything about Christians marry in mosques? I was quite obviously referring to two Islamic gays wanting to marry in a mosque, a religion which openly forbids homosexuals. Surely the legislation would refer to all religions would it not? So the church in your all encompassing modern society doesn't have freedom of worship at all, it has to compromise its faith to suit what is being dictated to them. Hardly a modern all encompassing society when religions can't practise wha they want!! I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why a civil partnership is any less of a relationship than a marriage, the irony being is you are the only one who has suggested this is the case, I don't think anyone else sees it this way. It's in fact arguable that a civil partnership is better than a marriage. And yes be gay and proud, enjoy what you have, why do you want to be the same as everyone else?

Sorry, I didn't realise they had to push thorough legislation for heterosexual marriages in catholic churches, maybe you could post th links to it?

You keep saying logical answers, where? I haven't seen any, all I keep seeing is people banging on about choices. No logical explanation of why gay people would want the blessing of an organisation that disproves of them. No explanation as to why gay people can't celebrate civil partnerships as a great thing for homosexuality. No explanation as to who is pushing for this legislation, gays or people deciding this for them. I won't repeat myself again because you've been unable to answer all day and just resort to sneering comments and patronising so I doubt that this is going to change now. Of course the irony being you're against religion and against marriage so not really sure why you are involving yourself in this discussion anyone. One might think you were just a liberal bandwagon jumper.

I've put forward the argument that why don't gay people celebrate civil partnerships as being their thing, see it as a great thing for homosexuality, why not celebrate being different? You seem to be suggesting it might be bad thing. Why does everyone have to be the same? Why not be proud of what you are? That is my arguement. If they want to be married so they can be like everyone else then fine, let them, but why do they need the approval or claim to be part of an organisation which may not approve it even forbids them? We are constantly told religion is bigotted and out of dated why would people of a modern all embracing society want the approval and blessing of such a terrible thing? Do gay people even actually want it? Serious question, or is it other people thinking they want it? And Prehaps all of you in favour of homosexuals being married in churches could give us your views on Islam a religion which openly forbids it.

I wonder if Dodd and Cortese will have a 'chat' this week?

In Islam homosexuality is forbidden. Why would two blokes who claim to practise Islam firstly, be gay and secondly want the approval of the religIon that forbids them?

Unfortuantely despite the increasing patronising nature of your reply BTF you have also failed to address any of my point. However no doubt the first gay couple that are refused marriage in a religious building will create the usual uproar from people like yourself. Yet they are just exercising their right to freedom of worship are they not?

Some church's, not all churches. What about the one that do? What about if some religions don't want gays to marry in their churches? should they be forced to do so? What about Islam, where homosexuals are forbidden? How is it going to go down with them that they HAVE to allow gays to get married in their mosques if they want to.

Prehaps you could paraphrase them then as I'm struggling to see anyone come up with any decent and logical reason why a gay person would want the blessing of or be a part of an organisation that disapproves of them. I'm also struggling to see where anyone has come up with an examples of where it's proven that civil partnerships have been consider a lesser relationship than a marriage, other than your bizarre one about not being able to get a divorce based on adultery, which I disproved anuway.nO one has said who is pushing for this legislation, of it's gay people or people deciding for them they want it. And the now most recent point that in our all encompassing modern society actually we don't have religious freedom at all, because people can only practise the parts that th modern society aprroves of, by default we cannot approve if Islam as homosexuality is forbidden.

It answers none of my points. But I wouldn't expect you to understand.

So actually we don't have religious freedom in this country so isn't a modern all inclusive society a all. Good luck explain it to the Muslims.

Logical answers? I'm yet to see any logical answers to any of my questions. Why would gay people want the blessing of an organisation that disproves of them? Why would gay people associate as a member of a group whose fundamental doctrines are against the way they chose to live their lives? Why would gay people stay as part of a group that does not approve of their practises? I'm still waiting for people to come up with examples of where it has been said that a civil relationship is less of a relationship than a straight marriage and if its the gays themselves that want this legislation or is it other people deciding for them that they want it. All I keep hearing is that it's so they've got choice. Well fine let them be married but why do they need the approval of a church that they clearly don't follow the teachings of and is opposed to their morality. Lets hear the logical answers to those points because so far our liberal genius have drawn a blank.

Luckily we can amend out squad in only 22 days time. Jonno quick can play in a number of positions. With his pace he can whizz up and down that left flank.

Please dont "correct" my posts BTF, it's very patronising.

Oh dear, so now people start to get patronising........ If the church doesn't approve of them and their relationship then dont they have the to refuse to allow them to marry in church?

I ddin't say we shouldn't. I dont understand why gay people would want a marriage blessed by a religion that doesn't approve of them and they dont follow properly.

What has that got to do with it?