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He wants a slightly dilitued version of marriage, not the real thing. Isn't it about choice? at least that's what you said it was 10 minutes ago. Why shouldn't he have the right to this?

WHat about the right of straight people to choose to have a civil partnership rather than a marriage? Is there a difference? Why shouldn't they be allowed this? And it is difficult because i'm really struggling to understand why anyone of whatever sexual orientation would want the blessing of an organisation that doesn't approve of them and claim to be part of an organisation that they dont follow properly. I'm not anti gay marriage as i've said above, it's the insistance of the blessing of the church i find odd.

Ironic you ask me answer without asking a question as that is what you keep doing. Obviously one of the key things that matter when you decide to get married/enter a civil partnership are the slight differences there are in legal terms!!! That's a great arguement! The argument for different types of relationship is about perspective. I'm yet to see anyone come up with any examples of why a civil partnership is less of a relationship than a marriage. Why dont gay people embrace civil partnerships as their thing? Why dont they be proud they can have civil relationships and straight people cant?

What about the symbolism of civil partnerships. Aren't they effectively a homosexual marriage? Straight people cant have one. Why dont gay people say how fantastic is that they have something straight people cant have?

So the church didn't approve. So why would a gay couple want the blessing of a religion they didn't follow properly and didn't approve of them?

And neither do straight people. Straight people cant have a right to a civil partnership. What advantages do gay couples have from getting married rather than being in a civil partnership, other than if they were to split up later due to one of them cheating it's classed as unreasonable behaviour rather than adultery of course. Why dont gay people celebrate civil partnerships as being exclusive to them? Why do they need to be married?

and I still want to know who views civil partnerships as lesser relationships. Other than some bizarre technicality on the wording allowed to use in law no one has come up with any examples of who does or why they are.

What if you want a civil partnership? Surely you would agree straight people should be permitted this if they want?

What if a straight couple want a civil partnership? How do they go about it? WHat are their choices?

So one of the key reasons why gay people should be allowed to marry in a church is a technicality around the wording used? Why not just legalise the wording? They can be divorced for unfaithfullness just like a straight couple. Who is demanding all this change anyway, is it gay people themselves, the government or the churches?

Please tell me about straight people wanting a civil partnership. How do they go about this? What are their choices?

I'm not quite sure how a gay person wanting the blessing a religion they claim to be part of but doesn't follow and doesn't approve of them is quite the same as sending a child up a chimney but hey ho.

So why does it matter that in a civil relationship adultery unfaithfullness fulls under the category of unreasonable behaviour and unlike straight couples they cant divore simply for this? You say yourself that the details are only shared if the people involved choose to share it.

What does it matter what i believe in? I'm not a homosexual man demanding a religion that i dont follow correctly, that i think is run by bigots and doesn't approve of my way of life bless my wedding.

Why would you want to be part of a religion that you thought was run by bigots? Why would you want their blessing on one of the most important days of your life?

So who is deciding that gay people want the blessing of the church? Gay people or are people deciding for them?

It clearly does. Sexual unfaithfullness is a subsection of unreasonable behaviour. Why is it so important a cerfitcate of divorce says "adultery"? Does the wronged partner want it advertised to all and sundre that they got cheated on? I would suggest unreasonable behaviour is a far less emotive and kinder thing to have written on your divorce CV. https://www.gov.uk/end-civil-partnership/grounds-for-ending-a-civil-partnership 1. Unreasonable behaviour Your partner has behaved so badly that you can no longer bear to live with them. This could include: physical or mental cruelty verbal or physical abuse being irresponsible with money being sexually unfaithful

That doesn't answer any of my questions.

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BUt why not be proud of the exclusiveness of civil partnerships? Who views them as a lesser relationship?

It's the needing to have the blessing of marriages by a religion that i find odd. I thought that would be fairly obvious, but then you have struggled to grasp most points on here so i'm not surprised. If they want to have a civil marriage then fine, let them. But then also let straight people have civil partnerships. I also dont understand why they cant celebrate what they have and be proud of it. Civil partnerships are exclusive to homosexuals, why cant they enjoy that?

Why not answer my questions? I dont care what gay people do, if they want to get married then fine, but it begs the questions i have raised above does it not? 1 WHy would you stay in a religion if you did not adhere to its teachings and principles? 2 Why would you stay in a religion that did not approve of your way of life? 3 Why would you want the blessing on your marriage of this religion that you do not follow correctly so are clearly not devout?

I think you'll find there is actually and that a civil partnership can be ended if one party cheats, it's under the grounds of "unreasonable behaviour" It's also called dissolution when a civil partnership ends, it's exactly the same thing as a divorce, does it really matter that the ending of the relationship has a different name?

Oh dear, you want to calm down if you are going to enage in debate. You end up looking foolish with all the insults. Isn't this thread about being married in a church, which last time i checked, was a religious building? Are you struggling with this as well?

I'm well aware of that. What i object to is you calling me thick because i dared to suggest that your opinion might not be shared by everyone. It seems you're incapable of considering other peoples views without resorting to insults and working yourself up into a little rage, quite sad really.