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He was a strange one not quite sure why he went. He's clearly a good player, plays for Gronigen inthe Dutch League and is a full Finish International.

taking Pompey from the middle of the championship to 9th in the Premier League and FA Cup winners Taking Bournemouth to their highest position ever Taking West Ham to their second highest positon ever. Other than that, not much.

Nothing. but Bexy has show how self righteous he/she is and also that he knows what his great grandad did. He/she's researched this dontach know. Unholier than thous wouldn't have a clue what our forefathers did.

It would make a great family fortunes question wouldn't it?? We asked 100 dead members of the Royal British Legion what their view was of people wearing poppies on rememberance sunday Bexy says, "dont give a toss" Is it there????

If we are still in the bottom 3 and look certs to go down, which is likely, then the best we can hope for is to get some quality in on loan with a view to making it permenant if we stay up.

Good. Pat the owner is a top man and a big Saints fan. I hope everyone supports him.

Another one not getting it. I never thought this forum could ever reach the depths of moronic idocy that it has. LOL at all the lefties only seeing what they want to see. Find ONE Post where someone says he should be forced to wear one. HAHHAHAHAHAHA! Cheers Bexy, not had such a good laugh in ages.

Marcelo Tejera - was built up by Redknapp and supposed to be class player, he was a Urugian international i believe. Never played a match for us. Mark Paul and Cosimo Sali were supposed to be brilliant prospects who never made it for some reason.

He was supposed to be amazing. I spoke to Ian Jureyff about him when he was at the club and said that he was one of the best young players hed ever seen. There was some issue with his permit that meant he could play in front of a paying crowd or somethign odd like that IIRC. Last seen playing in Ukbekistan i believe.

I'm sure they'll be shamed into pay tax when they realise a pensioner from Gloucestershire or where it is has outed them on a soccerball forum.

What do you say to your grandchildren when they ask you why you don't buy them any Christmas presents?

I said that morally he should question taking a wage from the country where he morally objects to honouring their dead serviceman that fought to give him the right to earn that wage.

What question would that be colin? The one you told me the answer to? If its not a question of morals what is it a question of? No one is demanding he be removed from the country, again youre not understanding. It really is quite simple. Of his morals prevent him from wearing a logo embroidered onto a football shirt which represents respect for the dead of the country that employ him, then surely he wouldn't want to betray his morals by earning a living in that country. As I said earlier would you work in country where you were encouraged to sieg Heil every morning or would your morals prevent this?

You don't have to worry about Christmas presents JB. She isn't religious and doesn't believe we live in a Christian country so her she wouldnt allow herself to betray those morals by celebrating a Christian festival.

Another thread you've turned it into a personal attack on me. Massive tsk.

Agains, you're failing to understand, i didn't say they should be mandatory. Poppies are worn to represent the dead of that country, if McClean feels he cannot betray his own morals and wear one, as his is choice, then surely he also shouldnt betray his own morals and earn his money in the same country, it's as simple as that is it not?

Nothing a few peronis couldn't sort out I'm sure!

The Irish one isn't. Maybe that's why mcleans morality only goes as far as the amount of 0's in his wages.

Of course it is, people died to ensure that option was available, I'm surprised you fail to appreciate that!!! So I'll ask again, would you work for a company, in a country where it opposed to what you believed in? Or would you look elsewhere for employment?

I don't see a grey area colin, I'm surprised you do. If I worked in a country and for an organisation That held beliefs that were against mine I'd look elsewhere for employment. That's the thing I find most amusing about people these days, the have morals and ethics when it suis them, but when it doesn't they don't. So are you saying you'd take a wage from a company that encouraged a Sieg heil every mornings even though you agreed with everything else they stood for or would you not work there because morally it would be wrong for you to work for a company like that?

It doesn't because You're not understanding Colin. Morally both of us would never ever accept that doing this is right, so we wouldn't work for or accept a wage from a company that suggested we do this. so if this Sunderland player, McClean is morally opposed to wearing a poppy, surely his morality would exempt him from collecting a wage in a country and from an organisation that encourages to do something he is opposed to?

So let's say you were offered and accepted a job in Germany, everything was perfect apart from you were encouraged, not forced, but encouraged, to Sieg heil, every morning. Would you as a moral person, be happy to continue to take a wage from this company, or start to question if you were right to be there, regardless of if you agreed with everything else the company stood for?

I feel we've been through this before Colin. Yes, he has a right not to wear it, we agree on that. But if he's that opposed and has that much of a Moral problem with the country that he earns his living in, then maybe he should also be questioning if he is working in the right country that reflects his moral stand point? I know I would be.

Err no, I think you'll find I found that chant emabrassing. Whats your point on that? So are you saying we've brought in players for big money that don't care about the club? Bit of a worry....