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I am LOLing at all the Reading and someone else fans I work with moaning on their Facebook about how crap they and McDermott are. Only 4 short months after telling me they'd made the best signings of the summer out of all the promotion teams, had the best manager, are loaded and going to finish mid table.

Muslims are bigots are they?

I'm calm, just firmly stating I don't want to go over the same ground again with someone like you.

I'm looking forward to hearing what Andy would tell an Imam at a mosque what he should do if two gay Muslims want him to bless their mosque wedding. See the post about it a few up.

How long until the first legal case when a gay wants to be married in a church that doesn't approve of it. Then the church is accused of discrimation......

As usual you missus the point. The discussion with Egg was that in his modern, all encompassing world gays have a right to choose if they want to marry in a church or not, regardless of this is hypocritical. This would means church has to compromise its faith. This discussion has been going on for a page or so and ive no wish to go though it again with someone as thick as you. Read th whole thread if you want to catch up with it.

The religion that has to compromise its beliefs in order to allow gays to marry in their buildings Prehaps? Or have to totally missed what this discussion has been about?

What on earth are you on about now?

So gay people can have the choice, but people can't have the choice to disapprove of something that doesn't sit well with them? Unfortuantely the real world isn't like that, we have to compromise and be realistic at times. All of us do, that is what being part of a modern, all encompassing society is all about isn't it? Or should some people having the choice mean that others have to miss out, be hypocrites or compromise?

They lost at Villa too. Yes they've got some decent home games to come but they look awful, I can't see them winning too many at home either.

I think you'll find my point which hasn't been answered is why would a homosexual claiming to be christian or Muslim want to be married in building of the religion they claim to follow yet does not approve of their practices. You need to stop banging on about what some religions and religious leaders think the ones that they accept gays and concentrate on the ones that don't. Lets move away from christians for somthing neutral to us both so we arent Biased. Let's take Muslims for example, couple of gays claiming to be Muslims go and nip down their local mosque and tell the Imam they want to use the mosque for their big day and him to bless the wedding. What should he tell them?

If they follow the faith properly then yes they should give it up or be celibate. I've said before I know of several people who were brought up religious but decided to leave it when they got older as the way they wanted to live their lives prevented them from committing to their religion of birth. And no they didn't go running back to that religion demanding its blessing for their marriage. If they want to pick and chose what they follow and what they don't then they aren't truely following that faith and therefore shouldn't really be too upset that if their faith disapproves of gays then it doesn't bless their wedding. It reslly isn't difficult. The problem with your modern, all encompassing world that you speak of where everyone has as many choices as they want is that it's the world of the selfish and spoilt where everyone can have everything they want. Real life isn't like that, sometimes you have to make decisions you don't want to and have to compromise, otherwise we'd all spend all our time wailing that it's our right and choice to do this that and the other and no one can tell me otherwise. if you follow th religon properly then fine, let you marriage be blessed by it, if you don't, then don't moan if it doesn't work out for you. It's like anything. Also in this type of world someone still has to compromise. Why should religions which has been around for 1000s of years change its core values because political correctness says so and gays are Apparantly not happy with just having civil partnerships, which in reality are no real difference to marriage? Your modern , all encompassing world means they can't be true to their faith if they don't want to bless a gay marriage but feel they have to, how is this right?

Committed, gets stuck in, runs around a bit and screams. He sounds perfect. He'll be a fans favourite before you can say 'get rid of it' and much better than that ponce Schinderlin who just fannies about with it.

You are funny young Andy, so cute, so misty eyed. Earlier On this very thread you demand that religions move with the times, that they are out to date, yet now here you are saying they aren't out of date at all as many Christians don take the bible literally anyway, so which is it? The simple fact is that the bible and the Quran clearly express tht homosexuality is wrong, regardless of if some have moved with the times and accepted gays, or have they? Who knows, it seems to change every day with you! Why would a gay person choose to associate themselves with a religon that didn't approve of them? Why would they demand a blessing in a church or mosque, based on the bible or Quran, books that condemns them?

The Colombian Claude Mckelele??

There is no grey area. Homosexuality is condemned in the bible and in the Quran. As time as moved on some leaders have from have to or chosen to accept gays, but a lot don't. If anyone who followed Christianity or Islam properly they would know this. They would know the book that their religion is based on condemns them. They may be born gay, but if they want to follow the faith properly then they should remain celebrate should they not? People may not like it and it might not sit well in the modern, all encompassing world you speak of but that is how it is. Why would someone choose to be part of a religion which condemns them? Why would someone want the blessing of that religion for a marriage that they don't approve of?

Barry Sanchez turns up on the mongboard, a few days later we are linked with Carlos Sanchez. There have been weaker conspiracy theories....

Behave.

Yep, I agree with this too. I find this strange if not hypocritical.

I think You'll find homosexuality is condemned in the bible and the Quran. The religions based on this do forbid it, however as time has gone on and society has become more liberal some of the leaders in those faiths have grown or been forced to accept homosexuality.

But you get to an age where you can. Loads of kids are brought up as a religion yet stop being part of it when they get a bit older and dont agree with the teachings, can't be bothered anymore or don't live their life the way the religion says they should. There are loads of kids that I went to school with who were like this. And if they are deeply buried in the doctrines and culture of a religon then they would surpress any homosexual desires and lead a celebite life if the religion condemned it or at th very least not openly be gay. I'm sure some will say 'why should they?' but it goes back again to are the devout or not. If they choose to be then Their faith would prevent them from willingly breaking any rules or principles of their church. Which brings me back to my point yet again which no one could answer. Why would a gay person want th blessing of a religon that condemns them and if they aren't following that religion properly why do they care, as they clearly aren't devout.

Well dealing with Cortese is going to just go swimmingly then!

A few of us that I go with at times have said is one of the things we lack sometimes, especially away or when protecting a lead is a good solid, tough tackiling midfielder to break the play up, like Mulumba did so well for West Brom against us.

Who said anything about Christians marry in mosques? I was quite obviously referring to two Islamic gays wanting to marry in a mosque, a religion which openly forbids homosexuals. Surely the legislation would refer to all religions would it not? So the church in your all encompassing modern society doesn't have freedom of worship at all, it has to compromise its faith to suit what is being dictated to them. Hardly a modern all encompassing society when religions can't practise wha they want!! I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why a civil partnership is any less of a relationship than a marriage, the irony being is you are the only one who has suggested this is the case, I don't think anyone else sees it this way. It's in fact arguable that a civil partnership is better than a marriage. And yes be gay and proud, enjoy what you have, why do you want to be the same as everyone else?

Sorry, I didn't realise they had to push thorough legislation for heterosexual marriages in catholic churches, maybe you could post th links to it?