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This morning it was Do it now, do it now do it now. To hell with the cost, to hell if we can fill it now. Tonight it's - no one is expecting it to happen tomorrow or demanding Cortese gets xxxx millions. Backtracking quicker than an Italian tank.

Can you tell them to hurry and do the deal please mate. The season has been finished over two weeks and we've not signed anyone yet. They'll be the 2012/13 version of an "ambition where's the evidence?" thread up here soon.

Are you sure about that "the voice of reason"? This morning that was a perfectly fine approach given Cortese has the funding.

It's going to be different for us. Apparantly.

You're not wrong it bloody well. Just how many hotel, super bowl, type places were there in the 80s? How many billionaire owners were there? They're all a relatively new thing since sky's rebranding of the game which has seen it awash with money. In the early 80s saints had the ambition and resources to sigh top players and punch well above our weight. From 1992 onwards the big clubs have got bigger and great traditional clubs like Sheffield Wed for example have been left well behind wih an ever widening gap. What a lot of the intelligent posters are failing to Understand is the gap between 4th and 12th in the premier league is immense. Newcastle didn't make it this season despite all their efforts. It's going to take More than daydreams to get there. It needs considerable Investment in both the playing side and te infrastructure. It remains to be seen if cortese has it and Saints have the fan base to support it despite what the enlightened posters might claim.

This is definitely a low point in Daves forum posting career. But with a if he puts a few hours in on the training forum i'm sure he can return to form.

If only they'd kept Hooliveld.

I'm sure when they were lifting the trophy and celebrating winning it by 20 points whilst smashing Hearts 5-0 they really regretted letting Hooliveld go.

Because the intelligent posters are demanding we "build it now" and are angry at Corteses lack of ambition that we've made it to the Premier league but dont have our champions league sized stadium in place.

* sighs * I did say dont ramble. A shelf stakers salary against a barrister is as relevant as the average wage of the man on the street against a proffesional top level football not like for like. You keep saying i said our attendances in 1982 are relevant to our attendances in 2020. They aren't. It's a very simple concept to grasp The voice of reason, people said we never progressed on in the early 80's because we were restricted by the Dell. We clearly weren't. You say yourself much less people went to football those day. However, we clearly were restricted by the Dell in the 90's, i've already made that point,what did we do? oh tha's right we moved, when demand outstripped supply. We had a 5 year waiting list for tickets for example, something the Intelligent Posters claim isn't important. Oh no, the intelligent posters want us to build it now, dont worry if it's a total waste of money and we never ever fill the extra seating. Cortese has millions he is going to sqaunder on us. Ever thought that the Liebherrs are worth £3b because they didn't spend stupidly without proof it was needed first? And as has ben mentioned Cortese had a 5 year plan for the premier league. Why arent we building now if he was absolutely certain we had all these thousands of fans just waiting for our promotion and fill all our extra seats? Surely Cortese view is the same as the retarded posters and not the intelligent "build it now" brigade?

These's a surprise.... Would say a shelf stacker in Tescos ask for a payrise and base their demands on what a barrister gets paid? Answer the question yes or and no and try not to ramble please. An on your other point so we now did show ambition in 1982 did we? And we now werent restricted by the Dell because less people went back then do our capacity was not restricting our growth. Basically not restricted by the Dell at all. That is the essence of what you've just said, yes?

What's your excuse for talking nonsense?

Who said it was? The point i am making and that you intelligent posters are failing to understand is that despite the claims of the intelligent posters we were not held back by the Dell in the early 80's.

FACT. Also proof that the environment at the time meant we were not held back and did not need a bigger stadium.

Do you compare your wages today with other people in your industry when looking for a pay rise or do you tell them you should be on loads more because Doctors earn more than you?

Obviously they are going to pay a higher price. It's 30 years later FFS. Does a loaf of bread or litre of petrol cost the same now as it did in 1982?

I dont understand what the average wage of an office worker or builder in 1982 has to do with what a footballer would be on now. Like for like comparisons. Keegan was on 4.5 times the average footballers wage. On the same ratio he'd be on £150k a year. It doesn't suit your intelligent posters argument and just because you dont like it because it doesn't suit you "we didn't need rescourses in 1982" arguement but it's clear as day.

any chance of typing that again in bullet points? It's bad enough have to read "The voice of reason" rambling.

paying the European footballer of the year 4.5 times the average footballers wage isn't having ambition and resorces then?

Err so what? Keegan was on 4.5 times what the average footballer was on in 1982. If he was on 4.5 times what the average footballer is on now he'd be on £150k a week. It's simple The Voice of Reason. Very simple.

How many billionares were around buying football clubs in 1982?

Dear oh dear What is it about you "intelligent posters"?!! You just dont get it do you? People have been at pains to announce that we've never had ambtion and resource before. That we were held back in the 80's because we didn't have a rich owner and the Dell was too small. We are going to attract all these millions of new fans becauser it's different now than in the 1980s when we had a team full of internationals, finished second in the league, played in Europe every season. No resources and ambiton. Yet we signed the European Footballer of the year on 4.5 times the average wage for that time. Which today would put him on near on £150k a week. "but but but, that damed Dell, it held us back" Err not quite my ol' chum, we actually averaged 7k less than capacity in our best season ever. Our biggest crowd was 3.5k less than capacity that season. I know you lot cant get over it and hate it but thems the fact our dear old intellegent posters. We weren't held back by anything at all. And it's nothing to do with what might happen in the future. just merely pointing out how wrong you people are that can remember the Munich air crash that actually, we have had ambition and resource in the past.