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The patronising, self righteous and holier than thou manner of your posts lead me to form this opinion, you are not the only one that can base and opinion on what they read you know. I know for a fact that you have no first hand experience of prison, think they are holiday camps and have formed your opinion based on what you have read, you have said this yourself and let me tell you, you are wrong. And partly to appease you and partly because i dont give a f*ck what most people on this forum think and those that i do care about will know my story anyway, i will tell you what my experience is. Some time ago i spent two years in prison, (a sentance way over the top for my offence, which was also my first and only before or since, but thats another story) I spent this sentance at Two "B cat" prisons, Wandsworth & Pentoville, widely regarded as two of the worst and most violent in the country. A "C Cat" Camp Hill Isle of Wight and a "D Cat" Ford. SO it's safe to say i know the regimes at 3 out of the 4 types of prisons there are, the other being an "A Cat" where the likes of Ian Huntley would be. In my times in prison i witnessed, stabbings, sucides, glassings, several times i saw boiling water with sugar in it being thrown at another prisoner so it sticks and scars, i was about 2 foot away on one occasion and this could easily have got me as well, numerous fights, prisoners being beaten shi*less by other inmates or officers, peoples faces being cut with razor blades, numerous incidents of drug taking, hunger strikes, floors being flooded by prisoners smashing up their cells. Being banged up in a cell 23 out 24 hours a day, 2 men to a 8 foot by 3 foot cell, with nothing but a book i had taken in with me for entertainment, i was wondering where my playstation and Widescreen telly was the whole time. I met some of the biggest w*nkers you could only dream of meeting. I also met some of the soundest people you could ever dream of meeting, who were there because they had f*cked up and made a stupid mistake, much like myself. Now what qualifies you to comment on the subject? Or is it's fair to say my qualifcations on this subject outrank yours? But still, what do i know, they are all holiday camps aren't they.

A Judge will set a sentance length, say 10 years, then a date when the prisoner can apply for parole, this is a minimum of half of the sentance so in this case 5 years. If parole is granted they'll be released on licence at this point with strict conditions that if they break they can be recalled to prison at any time if there is even a suspicion that the prisoner has reoffended or broken conditions. If parole is not granted they can reapply on the anniversary of their conviction the following year and every year up until their release date.

Exactly Andy, the punishment is losing you liberty and being sent down. Once your there is as much about rehabilition as punishment. It's very easy for people like Westender and his like to sit behind their PC in their little surburban paradise and critise all prisoners and tell the world how the system should be. A very good friend of mine was born and raised in Wallworth, SE London, he is one of the funniest, most intellegent and decent people i have ever met, yet despite this left school with no qualifications and his greatest ambition was to work in a trainer shop in Covent Garden. This is because he felt this was the best he could do because of where he was from and the fact he had no qualifications at all. He ended up inside and when we discussed his sentance he said it was no big deal because in Wallworth it's more of a shock if you dont get sent down! In no way was he trying to justify what he did, but just telling me how it was. When he was released on licence he spent a good part of it with the support of his probabtion officer, training to be a Youth worker and now works with Young Offenders in SE London. The training for this was done whilst he was realease at the point the judge allowed him to be released at during his sentance, time in Westenders world he should still have been inside, playing on his playstation, waiting to be thrown back onto the streets with nothing. This is a fine example of how the system does work, but Westenders papers wont report things like that. They'll just print stories of inmates sitting back injecting Heroin whilst playing on their laptops moaning about not being allowed to vote and that people are all being released half way through their sentances for not killing anyone.

You've spent the first part of this discussion telling us how easy prison is and how everyone gets let out early for being good boys. Now you've been shown that is not the case by someone who knows how it does work you've resorted to patronising comments, sums you up really. It's easy to judge and tell the world how it should be from behind your PC isn't it. Maybe that is what the system should be but it isn't. Under the current system the Judge might well hand down a 10 year sentance, but they know full well in doing so that there is a chance the fella could be out after 5. Just because that is what you and Wade want, it doesn't mean it'll happen or is right.

Sorry, i was doing you a disservice, it's obviously already been done and now loose women has finished you've got a couple of hours to kill before starting dinner.

Surely there is some washing up or cleaning you could be getting on with?

And there in i rest my case you honour. For about the 5th time the time handed down by the Judge is for example a 10 years sentance, to be elidgable to apply for parole in 5 years. You dont naively believe that when a Judge jails someone for 10 years they really think or intend that the'll serve every day of that sentance in custody do you?

No problem, you clearly didn't know, i guess they dont explain that in the papers though do they. My view on this is that the majority of the public dont understand how it works, which is clearly evident by the comments on here. Like yourself, they see say 10 year sentance and think that it 10 years in prison and that people get let out early for being good, when this isn't the case at all. To be honest though, i cant imagine why anyone would want to leave, surely they'd all be deliberately misbehaving to extend their stay, afterall it's just like free a holiday camp isn't it, with TV's, playstations and as much smack as you can inject.

On the bench, i think he has lost it and not good enough for us.

As i've already said it's none of your business, but I can absultely guarentee i have more experience and knowledge of the system than you do. My view is not based on reading stories in newspapers to suit their agenda.

You might think that is how it should work and maybe you are right. But that is not how it does work. It really is quite simple. Everything in sentancing is decide by the judge and precidents set for sentancing on previous similar trials. If they misbehaved whilst inside they DO get time added onto their sentances. If they behave there is A CHANCE, they may be granted parole, although generally the longer the sentance the less likely it is on first application. The Judge is fully aware at sentancing an offender could be released in 5 years of a 10 year sentance. The judge is also fully aware that even if they dont get parole, they'll be released at the 2/3 point automatically. What these people that say "10 years should mean 10 years" fail to get is that a 10 years sentance is not a 10 year prison sentance. It's a maximum of 6 years and 8 months inside then the rest spent on supervison licences whereby they can be recalled at anytime if they break their conditions or reoffend. As i've already said two or three times is they misbehave they wont get parole and they can also have time added to their orignial sentances, in some cases another prison sentenace can be added onto the time due to serve, but clearly you chose to ignore that. I know of one case at Camp Hill whereby a lad in there serving 3 years ended up serving 8 years due to offences commited whilst inside. (an attack on a prison officer being one of them) Just because you chose to base your opinion on some media story you've read or think something should work a certain way it doesn't mean that is how it does work. What is so difficult to understand?

I fear the affection in the relationship is all one sided.

It does. I *heart* You. xxxx

Well HCDAJFU in a number of positions, but i'd prefer him in midfield, can tackle, pass, good all round player. I'd like to see us be able to play 4-2-3-1 with Cork and Schniderlin as the 2 - Chamberlain, Gully, Lallana as the 3 and Lambert as the 1. This may change though depending on new signings, like CMS!

I am always happy to massage your ego Baj and give praise, honour, even worship where it is due

What i think you mean is everyone assumes they are guilty.

Exactly. The media frenzy around this will influence the jury, it'd be impossible for it not to. Everyone asssumes they are guilty before they've even set foot in court.

They will never be better than Saints Web Baj, at least not while you are on here hun xx

Read my post up the thread on this as you are clearly not getting it. They are not "let out after 5 years" The judge makes them elidgable for parole after 5 years at the time of sentancing, the JUDGE sets the term and the date they are able to apply for parole, it's then down to the parole board to decide if they grant or deny parole after 5 years or whatever date the judge has set. And sentances are increased for bad behaviour, people get time added on for this. But no doubt you read this in the Mail as well that people just get set off on their merry way half way through their sentance as long as they haven't killed anyone whilst inside and the rest of the 5 years on their sentance is forgotten about, i love this naive view people have on the sentancing and prison system, made whilst sitting in their surburban dream, an opinion on everything but no first hand experience of anything.

So it's safe to say that you have zero first hand experience of prison and buy into the Daily Mail image that all prisoners sit around all day in their cells watching their HD, widescreen TVs playing on X boxes or play stations after popping down to the wing drug dealer to pick up their daily fix of smack or crack with gay abandon?

Yes why? He's probably been the second best centre half in L1 this season, would be a good signing and a good partner for Fonte. On another note what about a few Bournemouth players? Been impressed with Pugh, Lovell, Ings and Holland this season.

In certain circumstances then it's probably right, terrorists, murders of children, basically for all cold blooded murder.

Sorry mate, i was reading your comment wrong, for some reason i thought you were replying to me and not Westender!

I agree with A. But i think knocking time off sentances only helps the prisoner and the smooth running of the prison when they are in there, it doesn't help society when they are released. Prisons are there to punish and to protect the public. I think the current parole system works well enough, that way they have boundries and restrictions they are not allowed to break or they will be recalled to prison, but they have to be supervised properly for it to work. the parole systems gives a prisoner an incentive to behave whilst inside anyway.

That's really none of your business, but lets just say it's enough to know that the only people that say they are holiday camps have never been in one and read too many newspaper stories.