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Just before their goal someone, i cant remember who, gave the ball away really cheaply under no pressure which basically cost us the goal. That was very poor.

dont for one minute pretend that you have been anywhere near a female, and with all the money you are saving on beer and fags you can get yourself some decent clobber and finally pension off your ben sherman gear.

to be fair you can only take what allocation you are allowed!

We had several good chances, on another day we would have been out of sight by half time, Swindon had a game plan which worked but also had a fair bit of luck too, two off the line, we hit the post and cross bar, their goal had a look of offside about it, on another day it might have been given but sometimes they go for you sometimes they dont. If one of those shots goes in in the first half its a different game as Swindon wouldn't have been able to sit back. Anyway, this has all been done on other threads, one thing is for sure though, if one of those shots had gone in in the first half and we had won 1-0 rather than losing then i'm sure no one would be saying we were crap and all our new signings are awful.

"AWFUL"? Are you sure? I wouldn't have said anyone was awful last night, (apart from Lloyd James) £250k for Puncheon apparantly, this will prove to be a steal, the guy has got so much potential. He was superb against Leeds, last night was his first bad game that i have seen. £250 for Barnard, good bit of business, for the second highest goal scorer in league one. Agree that £1.2m is a lot for a centre half at Championship level and a huge amount at our level and think it might have been over the odds but Fonte is a class act and the best centre half i have seen this season. There is no doubt, no doubt at all though that the Jan signings have improved the squad. i would say Fonte, Otsemebor & Puncheon have improved the side and were better than what was in that position before, Barnard was needed as we were crying out for another striker and Seaborne will improve.

well he wasn't out of his depth against Norwich.

Yeah, if they didn't have colours on they must have been trouble makers or away fans. Real fans wear colours.

Swindon played very well and probably deserved the win, tactics spot on as they hit us quick on the break and scored that way although possibly offside. We hit the woodwork twice and had two off the line, if we had scored when we were well on top different story as they wouldn't have been able to play on the counter. We weren't as bad as everyone is making out but we weren't good either, Puncheon had two on him all the time so allowed little space. Our crossing was awful and we seemed to run out of ideas with about 20 mins to go and humped it forward all the time. James was dire when he came on, hes not played for a while and it cant have helped his confidence when his first touch was awful and the crowd were on his back straight away, that said though, he was terrible. Rickie unlucky to hit the bar with a great effort. All in all though not good enough, on paper who in the Swindon team would you pick ahead of the saints team? , too many of our players not quite at it today, unlike saturday to many lose balls, poor delivery from crosses and a ran out of ideas, to much hoofing it long.

Otsembor is worth a deal, i'd also like us to keep Conolly too as he is class at this level. I'd also like to keep Antonio and Waigo but dont think they'd be hapy being players. When Connolly is fit Waigo is fourth choice striker and no way will Antonio get in ahead of Lallana or Puncheon. The rest can go, all surpluss to requirements.

who gives a toss? It means nothing.

Not really, average two points a game, which we have done the last 24 games, do it over a season gives 92 points. That will be enough to make us champions next season.

Win tonight, win saturday and win our game in hand next tuesday then its on. Swindon have Norwich at home saturday, if they lose the gap could be 7 points by next wednesday with 9 to go. Its ifs and buts and still a big ask but its more realistic. The two realistically catachable teams have tough run ins, with Swindons looking particularly nasty Norwich (h) Leeds (a) Colchester (a) Millwall (a) Colchester Millwall (H) Swindon (h) Huddersfield (a) We have probably the easiest run in off all the teams up there, with only charlton at home to come form the top 6 although we do have the two teams immediately above us and the one immediately below us to play away yet. Its doable but we definitely need to win tonight and thereafter 9 out of our last 11, which is a tall order.

I think that is a charge they call knowingly concearned, ie if you know a crime has or is about to be commited but dont try to stop it or report it then you may just as well have done it yourself and the charges and sentances are the same as if you had.

Why dont you pipe down and go to bed you ****ing ben sherman shirted mong.

Re taxes & charges-do you not think the police will go for the highest possible charges? Do you not think they have to do this to justify the cost of the investigtion and operation? If posts are true that the people involved have been charged with violent disorder then that is scandelous. there is no way on earth that charge is warranted compared to what you see going on in city centres at weekends. Since when have the government been concearned with squandering tax payers money on football related trials? It wasnt so long ago that estimates of a football related trial went to £4m. According to some reports passers by were "running for theirs lives" from a battle the press dubbed resembled a scene from the film Braveheart, but in reality no one was hurt, either the hooligans involved or these supposed innocent passers by, no property damaged and the so called battle was over in less than a minute, was that a good use of tax payers money, our money? Did the police give a toss about that? no, they got their headlines and thier convictions that was all they gave a toss about. Re 5 o'clock knock, usually for terrorists, serious organised drug dealers and criminals, oh and a bloke that threw a stone after a football match. Guarenteed that the dawn raids will be headlines in the papers and the lead story on local news as the police justify the cost in a blaze of publicity and frenzy. For whose benifit? What was the most read story on the echo website today? The public, the police, the media, eveyone loves a good football violence story dont they. 6 front pages echo stories in a month, half a TV documentry on it, the media provides it and the public lap it up, whilst pretending to hate it and condem it everyone knows the public are secretly fasinated by it all and the media and police absoutely love it. Re Knuckle dragging minority, such arrogance, need i say more?

Well for one, the women and kids were nothing to do with me, there is no place for woman at football. And as for the nick i'll see you there and you can be my ***** :heart:

There is a vast difference to the actions of the people involved in what the media and police would have you believe was the battle of Freeborn garage, to what went on in the 80's. Quite simply very little happened, i know i was there, i saw it with my own eyes. The only ones glorifying the so called violence are the police and the media. The police used ever available medium to show what they were doing, they even had a film crew following them round and interviewing them on the day of the game FFS! The echo have made it front page news on half a dozen occasions., its been glorified by the echo to sell papers and by the police who are obviously keen to show A/ They weren't at fault by letting the fans out at the same time and b/justify the cost of the operation and C/ Quite clearly enjoyed the attention. Obviously there are a few idiots who have stuck it on you tube but in reality what? lots of standing around shouting, lots of posturing, no one hurt, no one injured, no real violence. As i've stated i am neither condeming nor condoning the actions of those involved, but the simple fact is does someone deserve having their picture on the front page of the echo, so their family employers etc can see, do they derserve trumped up charges, punishment and sentances for doing what on another day in another place would not even warrent a mention in the paper or an arrest?

I know this is totally going of the subject but it is quite interesting. What about these people that stab someone once, but get aquited of murder but guilty of manslaughter as it cant be proven they meant to kill them? Surely stabbing someone they must know that there is chance the person may die?

no it would be manslaughter, if you hit them and they died you cannot prove it was meant to kill. There have been numerous cases of this, in fact someone i know wa aquited of manlaughter around 10 years ago, they punched someone who had been hassling them in self defence, the guy fell to the floor and hit his heard on the curb and died, but was aquited as CCTV proved it was self defence. there was also the incident outside Branigans a few years back when a guy was punched, hit his head and did, the guy that died it was convicted of manslaughter and sentanced to one year.

Right again, stumpy. If everyone was punished on what could happen everytime someone breaks the speed limit they should be banged up for 5 years because they could have run someone over and killed them. talking about intent did the lad that threw the stone think "f'ck me, i hope this takes on of those coppers eyes out and blinds them for life" - of course they didn't. The whole thing is a joke. If this is all Hampshire Police have to do with themselves then they should be embarassed. Violent Disorder charges for this are a joke. Everyone would have forgotten about the supposed scenes of mass violence outside SMS that day If it wasn't for the echo & police glorifying the "incident", sticking CCTV images on every media source available, having a 10 minute slot prime time BBC tv the monday after and generally making a big song and dance about doing their bloody jobs! It was a nothing incident, which could have been avoided totally if the police had used common sense and kept the skates inside the ground after the game, you might think the arrests and charges are more about covering their own arses and justifying their existance and the cost of the operation rather than actually wanting to bring the so called criminals to justice.

considering we've only ever won one trophy in our history then any chance of silverware however minor some might view it is not to be sniffed at.

You never know. It depends on what they are charged with, realistically it should be no more than criminal damage or threatening words and behaviour but the police might argue violent disorder which if football related can carry a custodial. That would be extremely harsh but a lot of pompey fans got banged up after the 04 game for throwing stones etc, although of course that was on a much larger scale. If the police & courts want to make examples of people then they can also hand out deterant sentances (which are a joke, but thats another arguement) which are automatically inflated sentances as they are supposed to act as a warning to others. A lot depends on the courts and police at the time and politics, think about death by dangerous driving, people a few years ago people were getting community service yet when it came into the public eye the sentances were inflated accordingly. If they want to make examples of people they will. With England bidding for the world cup, then maybe they might.

Jumping up and down behind the police, arms outstreached as if on a trampoline, nothing to do with Green Street, just what i call it.

What on earth girls you the right to say what i am saying is a load of rubbish? Okay so some people may have been frightened, but i had women, young kids around me and none of them appeared the least bit bothered by the supposed riot that was going on about 20 foot away and actually went out of their way to have a look at what was going on. Might i add, that i went over to have a look at what was going on to, i was not involved in anyway so am not trying to justify the incident or the actions of those involved. The point i am making is that the incident has been massively blown out of proportion by the police and the echo, as usual. The claims of bricks and missles going backwards and forwards are simply exageration. Compared to what happened at WHU v Millwall, previous Man U v Liverpool, Celtic v rangers and even previous Saints v Pompey games in Southampton and Portsmouth the incident was nothing. And for throwing a stone across a fence do people really need to have their pictures on the front of the echo, 5 o'clock knocks in a blaze of publicity (you can guarentee the dawn raids if there are any will be headline news on meridian) likely community service maybe even Prison (i kid you not) if they really want to make examples and lenghty football bans, when if they'd done the same thing on a friday night in town they'd be given a £80 fine and told not to be so naughty again. Will you or i feel safer at football and in life in general knowing that some bloke shouted and trampolined at some Pompey fans across a fence and behind a load of police is now doing community service, in prision and banned from football for 5 years? I for one wont. The only winners in this are the police who get to justify their massive fees and congratulate themselves on a job well done, the echo because it sells papers, everyone loves a story about football trouble dont they? Just have a look at what is the most read story on the echo website today.