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God i cant believe they are saying its Capellos fault for making the players tense, they were sh*te under McClaren, Shi*e under Erikson, sh*te inder Keegan and no better than average under Hoddle. Its not the bloody manager its the arrogant, over rated players.

and the positives are?? have looked like scoring at all? This is Algeria we are playing, one goal in 6 games, not SPain or Brazil. Too slow, too predictable, too one dimensional, still at least our 'world class players' have shown up. Only decent player have been Barry.

that first half was utter gash.

yep, and Lampards first touch was ****e, oh but its the ball, funny how the ALgerians who have only scored one penalty in six games dont have a problem controling it.

Oh he is playing, he just missed a sitter.

I'm sure as Nicky Bailey is signing his £10k per week contract and his £150k signing on fee at Middlesboro i'm sure he'll quote the reason why he never joined Southampton as all their fans are bigots as they hate gingers' FFS people need to lighten up. Anyway, what are you doing on a football forum, haven't you got any animal rights marches or trees to hug?

Awful, really awful. How Lampard keeps being picked is beyond me, when was the last time he had a good game for England?

What he said, kind of 4-1-4-1 when attacking, 4-5-1 when defending.

Well done, only took you three attempts to get the post right. What is abusive about calling him a ginge? he is. What is abusive about saying everyone was wetting themselves over him? they were. They should put a cavet that if you ar over sensitive or a sense of humour deficency you are not welcomed either.

Yeah we have only signed the best young full back in the lower leagues, its been rubbish.

Because real football isn't like football manager where you make a bid one day and the player signs the next. Real people go on holiday during their their time off, have lives, contracts to neogtiate etc. Notts Forest, Boro, West Brom and Norwich were also linked with him, clubs from the leagues above. He was in the league one team of the year and a good goalscoring midfielder. It would have been a real coup if we had got him, but just as well we didn't as he must be **** if you haven't heard of him.

Surely not, what could be more important to anyone than being lucky enough to be playing the mighty England? WHo remembers Euro 2004 qualifiers when England played Turkey in Turkey needing a point to qualify and the commentator described it as 'the biggest night in Turkish football' despite it being only 18 months since they played in the world cup semi final against Brazil. obviously England needing a draw in Istanbul is far more important to your average Turk.

on how long into the England v Algeria game it is before the commentator says something along time lnes of 'this is the biggest night in Algerian football history' or 'this is the biggest night in some of these Algerian players lives' i'll go for 32 seconds.

On a serious note, i agree, however i wasn't that hopefull of signing him when i heard Forest and Boro were interested as they both have a reasonable chance of playing premier league footall sooner than we do. Plus gingers stick together, so he was always going to prefer to join boro.

You are correct, first win that season was a 3-2 home win against Blackburn, then Sturrock got sacked and Alan Hansen said we look like a team that was going to struggle, naively i thought he was wrong and we'd sort it out.

Is he that good? THe times i've seen him play not been that impressed i dont think he is a championship player. Whats he like on football manager?

bet you couldn't believe your luck when you started going grey.

Perry Groves was ginger and probably one of the worst players to ever wear a Saints shirt.

Nicky Bailiey, the ginge we were in for from Chalrton that everyone was wetting themselves over a few weeks ago.

For £1.5m. Deal to be done next week apparantly. Shame good player, but not that much of a shame as he's ginger.

He probably had a look on here and saw all the moaning. In any case,wasn't the plan always to try to get up in the first season and at least make the play offs and then in the second season when Wilde and co had got all this investment they promised add two or three extra players of quality to make sure we went up? Thats how i remember it anyway. I bet he didn't bank on having to sell his three best players and losing Lundekvam who was in decline anyway from that season and replace them with frees and loans.

cry baby.

But its not Burleys fault he was given money to spend! Blame the board for that, ANY manager, will want to improve the team, buy what they think are better players. You can criticise who he bought but you cant blame him for spending the money that the board authorised him to spend. Like it or not we were very close to a PL return, knocked out on penalties to the team that went on and went up with Leon Best scoring the most spectacularly ridiculous own goal you'll ever see.

OKay, thanks for the pedantacism (is that a real word) he didn't pick the team that night, i know, even if he did you could hardly blame him for the shambolic performance given he had only been there a day, which is one of the worst i can remember. However it was still his first game as manager. The point is we were awful and Pearson improved us.

I'm not saying Pearson didn't do a good job, i remember well his first game against Plymouth, lost 0-2, could and should have been 0-6, we were woeful. But overall Burley didn't do as bad a job as everyone makes out, he didn't spend the money, he told the board the players he wanted and then the board transact the deal, its not his fault we we got in debt every manager worth their salt will always want to improve the team and spend money made available. The players we had that season Surman, John, Safri, Skacel, etc should never have been in a relegation battle and under Burley they weren't, they were midtable. Add to Burleys record taking a relatively small provincial club like Ipswich to a fifth place premier league finish and Europe, 4 (?) play offs, an average scottish PL team to top of the table when he left, no he hasn't won anything, but not may do.