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What is the process for diagnosis? Tell me to mind your own business if you like but im genuinely interested to know.

Yes that’s what a made it clear I wasn’t talking about them. I was talking about the one, such as my niece, a teenage girl who has just started at sixth form, just got her first Saturday job and is a bit overwhelmed with the workload and changes. That’s life, that ain’t anxiety. That’s her out of her comfort zone and having to deal with a significant change. Yet she thinks she’s got anxiety. I’m sure it’s not just her there must be many many more like this who if it isn’t 75 degrees and sunshine in their life every day convince themselves they’ve got some sort of issue. Sadly for a lot of parents these days using a condition as an excuse for bad behaviour. The kid I mentioned earlier at football for example, what parent would see their kid deliberately kick another one whilst they’re lying in the floor and then maintain they did nothing wrong and it’s everyone elses fault regardless of if they were austistic or not?

You’re struggling again aren’t you! I know what you said sunshine but as usual it was a completely dopey point. You calling someone else thick is frigging hilarious 🤣

You are of course right no one else knows what is going on in someone’s head. As i said though there are some clearly some genuine situations which must be awful for the person and those around them. But I’m not sure all the constant talk about wellness, mental health etc does are much good as people like to make out it does. i remember when my lad was about 6 or 7 him coming home from school one day and saying he had “that thing” when we asked him about it he said you know where sometimes you feel worried about something and don’t know what to do about it so we went through a whole list of things until we got to anxiety to which he said yes that’s it, we were learning about it at school today and that’s how I feel. Of course we explained to him that feeling like this is perfectly normal and part of life but he’s never mentioned it since but why are we telling kids of that age about this sort of stuff? It seems crazy to me that telling children of this age that if they feel a certain way then it’s this condition. Tell someone or yourself something often enough then it becomes your reality. Surely we should be telling kids that a Bit of worry, stress, pressure etc is completely normal it’s life and that’s okay, in fact it’d more worrying if you never felt that and teaching them how to deal with it, to build some resilience and to think that if you do feel like this then that’s part of life rather than telling them that feeling like x it might be condition x, y, z. same goes for behavioural issues, being bored at school is normal, being high energy and not being able to sit still for hours on end and listen to stuff you really don’t care about is normal, it doesn’t mean you’ve got a condition. You hear it all the time from parents’ “ oh he behaves like this because he’s autistic”, straight away using the condition as justification. again I’m referring here to the majority of people not the minority where it is a real problem for them and a genuine condition not a label put on them or a condition someone has been convinced they have.

It’s which a difficult and sensitive topic. Like a lot of these things there will be some genuine cases and there will be some who use it to excuse bad behaviour, lack of discipline at home whatever. I watched listened to that video that was linked above during work today and the guy does make some very valid points, such as about anxiety. Again I’m not belittling it as there will be some very bad genuine cases, people that can’t leave the house due to it etc but for most people anxiety and nerves are part of life and growing up, everyone experiences it but now it seems to be normal for a lot of people who feel normal emotions like this to go to a doctor and be given a label. My niece is 16 and currently supposedly suffering from anxiety but when you actually speak to her it appears to me that it’s just the usual 16 year old issues of struggling with homework at sixth form, just starting a Saturday job and the usual insecurities teenage kids have but we’re bringing up a generation of kids who seem to be unable to cope with even a minimal amount of pressure next week will Be interesting as I’m genuinely interested to learn more about it all as I do tend to have a more traditional approach to discipline and stress.

It was the echo numb skull

I'll say it VERY SLOWLY for you aintclever. What has the Daily Mail got to do with anything?

WTF has the Daily Mail got to do with anything?

a real statement of intent!

i meant no one gave a shit in the "alehouse" and there were no "red faces" as SOG put it I agree with your comments, Alex Scott is a good pundit, Gaby Logan is and always has been an excellent presenter despite never having played football. Saying they dont understand the mens game is a bit of a kop out, people should just say they are shit.

i doubt anyone gave a shit SOG.

As i mentioned in the OP we have 3 kids with issues. Two are okay but one is an absolute nightmare. He got kicked out of another team for his behaviour so we took him. He's been a problem since the start, squared up to another kid on his first training session, causes problems every week, if he cant or doesn't want to do something he'll just boot the ball away or refuse to do it. Things came to a head before christmas. I was referee for a game and he made a couple of bad tackles that looked deliberate, in hindsight i should have subbed him off then but gave him a chance, in the end he ended up kicking the oppostion goalkeeper in the back whilst his back was turned, badly hurting him then gobbing off at the parents on the sideline. He was instantly taken off and started screaming at the other coach he hated him and that he hated the team and we said his game is done he wont be coming back on. The other team made a complaint and much to my amazement the kids parents blamed us saying he had been terribly treated and we had not dealt with it very well and he was the victim in all this. Another parent told me it's the same at school, whenever he plays up it's not his fault its the other kids or the teachers dont know how to deal with him. to me this isn't a kid with a condition, this is a kid who's never had any discipline and it always allowed to do what he wants backed up by his parents who see nothing wrong in anything he does. Honestly if mine ever acted in anyway like that i'd be ashamed of them and come down on them like a ton of bricks. You wonder why they cant see it.

social media has something to do with it too.

just started to listen some very valid points such as in the 80s and 90s ups and downs through adolesence was part of life and normal, now everyones being treated for chemical imbalances and being told they're at risk of long term depression. Also says we are meant to be social creatures, connected to nature, eating a nutrient dense diet and we eat crap, stay in doors all the time and then when we feel down go to the doctors and they give us a pill. I completely agree with this.

I've not listened to it but it's an interesting point, no one gets rich from well people. No one gets rich from telling people to eat more healthily and get outside the house when a pill can be the answer.....

Having been involved in kids football now 3 years i am staggered at the amount of children that have one or both of these conditions. Of our team of 14 boys at U11s 3 have one of the two, one has both, in my sons class of 10 and 11 year old i would estimated about 15-20% of the kids in his year have one or the other. I'm no expert on this at all im a dad with a football coaching badge but there must be some explanation for this. 35 years ago when i was that age i barely remember anyone even hearing about these conditions. I must say that two of the boys in our team are generally fine but one is an absolute nightmare. A couple of explanations from people who know better than me (a teacher and football coach at a professional club) have views that some of it is down to too much sugar in childrens diet coupled with a lack of activity. We all know how wired some kids can be after a bag of sweets so they think that if the child has a propensity to be wired that way if they are sitting on an xbox all evening and weekend, drinking full sugar drinks, eating pizzas for tea and constantly filling up on sweets then it's no wonder their brains are at 10000 mph all the time as they are never burn it off. The football coach made the point that cases of this in kids that are active and fit are generally a lot lower. Anyway, be interested to get some thoughts and experiences. I about to do a training session on it run by the local FA to help try and understand it a bit better, possibly not the best source of information but maybe will help on a weekend at football

She should be awarded compensation for people reporting this to the police, poor Samantha has had to endure a torrid time being trapped in the wrong body and now she is able to express herself how dare people put her through further trauma like this. This transphobia needs to stop, so depressing that this lovely lady who has had so much to put up with all her life has to go through this now. It's not 1930 anymore.

Free hits mate

Ipswich deserve it, been good second half. Not sure if I’m pleased with that result or not, back in 3rd but still have a faint hope of catch Leicester. So much for Ipswich rolling over and dropping away. They’re going to keep going right to the wire

Yes

Maybe but we win winning anything else

Yank sports dont count.

Our very own CB Fry, football and cricket and he's a bloody good football forum poster too

Im honestly amazed anyone that plays off 3 can get fat. I play although no where near as much as i'd like and to get to a level like that really you've got to be playing 3 times a week and each round of golf is about 6-7 mile walk on a proper course, pretty sure i've burnt over 4,000 calories a day when i've played in the past. You'd have to be a right gutty cunt to get fat playing golf regularly at a decent level. The top players now are all as much into sports science, nutrition and exercise as much as anyone, look at Bryson Deschambeau and how much he came on when he started hitting the weights.

Golf i'd disagree with you on, the best players are still very fit and it's a very high skill level, but anything that you can play in a pub whilst holding a pint isnt a sport.