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Amen. That's the precise difference. Hamas have caused this.

That's just idealistic nonsense. It's completely and utterly unrealistic.

When Israel fly into Palestine, torture and murder babies and young children, shoot families hiding in safe rooms, live stream the murder of grandmothers on their own social media then use their religious texts to justify it, I'll consider them the same.

With enough military force they can certainly reduce it's capacity to do what they did last week any time soon. Which is surely their aim.

Hold on. If the Israeli authorities had the power to do so, I don't believe they would kill and maim every Palestinian in Palestine. The same cannot be said for Hamas who would relish the opportunity. There isn't a moral equivalence.

In what world would Hamas accept that? They want to wipe Israel off the map. They don't want any oslution that you involves the state of Israel continuing to exist in any form.

"go after the terrorists." How?

I would just love us to throw caution to the wind every so often and overwhelm teams with our attacking talent. I totally get the value of safe football but we have one of if not the best attacking options in world football. We should be making teams fear us.

So don't bother trying then? Just accept terrorists hangliding into your country and indiscriminately murdering your fellow citizens?

OK then so their current action is too excessive as a response to the worst terror attack against Jews since the Holocaust. I think we accept that their aim is to get rid of as much of Hamas as they can to reduce the chances of this happening again in the near future. You aren't willing to suggest what they might do as you're not a military strategist but it would be good to know what someone like yourself would view as a proportional response that would not keep the status quo of this just happening again.

By all accounts, many of them are hiding in civilian populations or effectively using civilians as human shields. That makes it incredibly difficult to take action against the correct people without some civilian casualties. Personally I'd hold Hamas responsible for many of them given that they clearly don't give a toss about the average Palestinian.

So what's your suggestion then? Because they can't just sit back and do nothing or do very little in the face of such a catastrophic attack. If it were my family so brutally tortured and murdered I'd be wanting action taken as well.

The point is that the aim for Israel is to prevent Hamas from doing it again. Doing something small and relatively inconsequential is just going to lead to Hamas doing the same thing again in a few years. I totally understand why Israel are getting to a point where they want to prevent this from happening again.

What the fuck is ableist language? Probably called someone a spazz or a retard or something like that.

Fair to say that aged about as well as milk...

Agree with you. I was really annoyed at full time but after sleeping on it, games like this do happen and we've played a lot better recently. I still think we should have enough to get into the playoffs which is about par for the season.

I think the reactions from some are way over the top and I also think that results like yesterday happen sometimes and on most other days we would have smashed it. The post you replied to however may be the most pompous and arrogant I've ever read on here and that's saying something! All these neanderthal fans getting annoyed about not winning. Can't they see its a process? The enlightened class of educated fans know what we really should be doing and that's sticking Aribo up front. Well played sir.

When he signed they gave similar dates to now. Doesn't sound like anything has changed to me.

Whacks up his price as well which can only be a good thing if he's off anyway.

I do think Smallbone flatters to deceive and is someone we could definitely improve on.

It's not about individuals it's about the team.

Eh? Downes was motm for me.

Aribo, Mara and Fraser. We best win this now...

This has an air of inevitability about it at the moment.

I'm genuinely chuffed we won and pleased for Martin who I think is a good man. Let's not though pretend that this is Martin's system coming good. This was largely abandoning the system and doing something that can actually win football matches. I hope Martin doesn't try and gaslight the fans by saying that his system is now working.