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Where did I ever say that discrimination doesn't happen? You've made that up. It doesn't follow that any initiative to supposedly combat discrimination is a good thing if it is counterproductive. Dividing fans up along the lines of race, gender or sex is not a good thing in my opinion and leads to more division.

Indeed. My wife is half Arabic. She'd be a minority under that definition. Should we have safe spaces at the club for those who are of Arabic descent? Or should we just have no discrimination and everyone be welcomed together by the commonalities we share which is our support for the club?

Why would you need a group to allow you to attend? I've been on my own loads of times (I went to the Villa game on my own for example.) Very unfortunate that trolls on social media are calling you unkind things, sadly this is something that many people of all ethnicities and all walks of life have to suffer once they have a profile. Still not sure why you need a safe space, I'd suggest blocking the idiots and moving on. I hope you get to enjoy more games but I suspect a lot of people won't be interested in identity politics groups that seek to divide fellow fans. I'm happy for saints to be inclusive of all fans.

Absolutely. You can't blame the migrants for attempting to get the best deal they can out of life but let's not try to demonise the state in this instance for trying to prevent dangerous crossings that should never be happening.

Looking at it another way though, surely you want some controversy and more rivalry to boost interest in the women's game?

And saying white supremacist based on nothing at all...

Good Post and well said.

Thanks I needed a laugh.

Yeah so many alt right opinions like opposing guns and applauding the arbery verdict. Definitely aligned with the hard right there just like the hard right rittenhouse jury. Get a grip.

Sounds like you're agreeing with me.

I don't think there's any evidence to support your claim that he went out to kill and pretended to put out fires and be non threatening so that he could go and murder anyone. The testimony of eye witnesses and his actions before and after the shooting would not suggest that and its not something even the prosecution was seriously trying to argue during the trial. His interview after the trial ended where he states he supports black lives matter is also a curious thing for a murderer to say. You're creating a narrative that isn't supported by the evidence. He absolutely took a gun to a riot though and he's no hero like some people are trying to claim he's just not some secret white supremacist or scheming murderer like you're trying to paint him either.

Because it happened in a split second, he'd already been attacked and the aggressor was advancing at speed towards him. Perhaps with a bit more time to think or in a less pressurised situation he would have fired a warning shot but even if he was inexperienced and panicked which I don't think the evidence suggests happened here, that wouldn't be murder would it. I don't think the law should allow any young people to own a gun but that's stupid US gun laws for you.

If he had gone looking for action then why was he performing first aid and putting out fires with an extinguisher and shouting friendly friendly friendly immediately prior to the shootings? Seems like an odd thing to do if you're intent on going out to kill others. I agree that American gun laws are ridiculous but not sure why you think you saints pompey analogy is in any way comparable.

Not "us simpletons" just you asserting without evidence that he's guilty of murder. The point was that in the split second he had to make a decision, he viewed someone advancing towards him and making movements towards his gun to be a threat and potentially a life threatening one.

I'm not soggy and just make things up on the fly for an argument on saintsweb. It has been a heavily publicised and interesting case in a similar vein to the OJ trial. Not sure why you find it so outlandish that it would be watched by a large number of people.

It's bizarre that you're suggesting I didn't watch the trial. Why would I lie? All I'll do is repeat the answer I've already given multiple times now in the hope that it will penetrate and you'll understand. In the opinion of the jury and non- biased people who watched the trial, it is entirely reasonable to view someone chasing you and advancing towards you as a threat. It is entirely reasonable to expect as the prosecution stated that had he not fired he would have received a severe-possibly life threatening beating and it is entirely possible that his gun could have been wrestled off him and used against him. Regardless, it was for the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was guilty of murder and they never did that at any point of the trial. That's because he wasn't.

Great post.

2 people are dead due to their own actions. One of those people who died was a child abuser who raped kids so I won't exactly be weeping over his passing. The law in America says he does have the right to have a deadly firearm even though I personally don't think anyone in America should have a gun. Murder is premeditated and his actions immediately prior to the shooting and afterwards do not suggest he was trying to kill anyone until he was confronted, attacked and then provoked by the two men who died and the other one who was shot. Like I said only simpletons or those who have little knowledge of the case would think he was a murderer.

I've answered it about 4 times now. You have said yourself that it was reasonable that he could have expected a beating had he not shot but for some reason you consider it beyond the bounds of possibility that in the split second he had to make the decision that he couldn't have though that his gun could have been wrestled off him and used against him. In your mind he should have not shot, taken a potentially severe beating- which could easily result in death on its own-and run the risk that his gun would be used against him.

So are we saying that it was reasonable for rittenhouse to think he might get severely beaten but not that that beating might result in severe injury or death? Or that he might have had his gun wrestled off him and used against him? Let's remember that this judgement was made in fractions of a second.

Maybe stick to opining on things you have actually seen rather than taking opinion pieces as gospel mate.

Interesting. What was illegal about it? I really don't need to know what you think about liberalism considering you bang on about the far right all the time.

On second thoughts it's probably not worth your time watching the trial as you'd clearly made your mind up prior to its start. Shame you couldn't stay a bit more open minded and less partisan. Pity.

I'll take that as a deflection. I answered your question as you already know and you refuse to answer mine because you know that the idea that rittenhouse should have just taken a beating is clearly ridiculous.

He took a gun to a riot where he was attempting to put out fires and provide first aid as law enforcement had given up. He was attacked and fired as it was reasonable to assume his gun was going to be taken and he then surrender himself to law enforcement. I've already said he was a fool for doing so and I am not a fan of guns but what I've said is factually accurate and it was shown to be the case in court.