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Or just go with what I've actually said rather than what you imagine I may have said.

Yes. I never claimed otherwise. Although looking at some of the violent messages on signs you'd be forgiven for thinking otherwise from at least a percentage of the protestors.

The only reason I've had to repeat myself is because of posters like you who wilfully refuse to concede the clear and obvious links. Initially you said there were no links and then when more and more people started speaking out and expressing concerns its morphed into there only being links that somehow I've been desperate to find. Any reasonable person would conclude that the links are incredibly obvious and incredibly clear which is why so many organisations are issuing these clarifications and expressing reservations. My concern from the start of this alongside the Covid issue was these links and that concern has proven correct. I do think there are a number of people who have inadvertently supported this organisation with views they disagree with and they quite rightly feel annoyed about it. If an organisation called the royal British legion had started ten years before the current organisation with unsavoury views then I'd be expressing similar concerns that there would be confusion there and that people could end up lending their support to things they would rather not be associated with. I'm sure there are plenty of financial contributors to blmuk who would have been duped into giving to them and that's a big concern. I don't want those people to have any more unearned power. I also think that every life matters so we can agree on that at least.

I'd suggest that the F1 drivers expressing their opposition to taking the knee have just as much validity as a compatriot like multimillionaire Lewis Hamilton with his aggressive twitter posturing and attempts to publically pressure his peers by implying they support racism. Your point also weakens the argument for taking the knee. If ex footballers (and presumably current footballers) are not reliable judges of inequality then who are they to start publically supporting these organisations? You've got it entirely the wrong way round. No one in the UK that I have seen has ever said that someone cannot kneel down if they want to. No one has been vilified for kneeling (although the police were rightly criticised for it but that's a separate issue) but plenty are attempting to villify people who choose not to. Your plea not to villift people would be better directed at the likes of Hamilton.

Now you've completely lost me. When I said "as more speak out" I was referring to ex footballers, the Premier league, F1 drivers who have expressed reservations about taking a knee, keir starmer and other politicians and I'm sure more will continue to do so. It's got nothing to do with anything right wing and you look a bit silly for suggesting it. Not supporting black lives matter or not taking a knee has no impact on support for minorities in the slightest, in fact I would argue that the entire exercise has been more divisive than anything else.

You're using the phrase "suspiciously convenient" like the connection between black lives matter and black lives matter is some far right invention to discredit the whole thing. In reality, black lives matter has been in existence for a decade, has official social media and websites, spokespeople, has made millions recently in fundraising recently and shares a number of members. There's nothing suspicious about the connection at all, the connection is explicit as the Premier league, keir starmer, ex footballers, mlt and F1 drivers etc have made clear. They have all now had to issue clarifications or express concern about the links yet you continue to act as if it's some wild crackpot theory. I would suggest that you have your own agenda for playing down these clear links because then your narrative falls apart but as we've seen it's becoming increasingly difficult for you as more speak out.

Is it their choice? Lewis is saying that "silence is generally complicit." It sounds to me like he is saying that if they don't want to kneel that they are complicit in racism. (oh and "suspiciously convenient"? Do me a favour. It's hardly a great leap to link the two supposedly separate movements when one of them pops up and starts using the same name as the movement which has been around for a decade, when that same movement sees a spike in funding at the same time as the other "separate movement" starts to use their name and they share the same iconography and messages at protests etc.)

Interesting. Looks like F1 drivers don't think it's so clear either (and they don't like Lewis Hamilton who is obviously a fantastic driver and not someone you'd want to hang out with outside of the sport.) Apparently objecting to kneeling is now a lack of understanding of racism, who knew!

What happened to Taider?

Nope.

Demarcus beasley

Don't forget the racist wine industry

The message is so clear that the Premier league and other sports have had to issue clarifications, players themselves have made concerns known and captains are talking about issuing their own statement clarifying things. Odd that they all feel the need to do that for something so clear.

Isn't it strange that those who believe the BBC are not biased are also those most opposed to dropping the bit where people are forced to pay them.

"a few people from some organisations within BLM." Do you realise how odd that phrase sounds? It's blacklivesmatter.com, blacklivesmatteruk twitter page, the gofundme that has raised millions, spokespeople all over the news being explicit about their beliefs, the founder of the movement describing herself as Marxist, the organisation being explicit about what they believe for a decade, placards outlining many of these views at every march. It's not like some fringe part of it. If it were irrelevant then they'd feel no need to make clarifications and climbdowns. The fact that they have destroys your attempt to write it off as something tiny or irrelevant.

Fear of a social media mob calling you racist is a powerful thing. Who would want hundreds of anonymous users targeting your organisation or calling up advertisers and organising boycotts? It's why we have so many companies and individuals who shouted their support and who are now climbing down and issuing clarifications.

It's got nothing to do with the press. The ambiguity is there because the organisation called black lives matter has existed for over a decade and their views were well known before all of this. It's the equivalent of setting up a new group called antifa because you're anti fascist and then complaining when it's pointed out that there's already a group called that, some of the new followers of your group already support the old group and your group is damaged by the association.

They put themselves in a situation where they supported black lives matter who subsequently put out a number of controversial tweets. People who weren't previously aware started looking into things more closely and weren't happy with what they found out, ex footballers expressed reservations and so the Premier league panicked and walked back their previous support. Its a situation entirely of their own making and no doubt they will have feared it doing damage hence their statement but I'm not surprised that someone like you who has been an apologist from the start would try to play it down.

Even if what they are now saying is true and they never supported the black lives matter organisation, why would a multi million pound organisation like the Premier league put themselves in a position where there is any ambiguity at all? It seems the desire to not be called racist has outweighed any sort of common sense or due diligence and it will damage them as a consequence. I don't think this would have happened without the stadiums being closed to fans because they wouldn't want the spectacle of people in the stands expressing their displeasure.

Unfortunately that just highlights how deep this malaise has got. I expect they will also be releasing clarifications and caveats to their support like the Premier league and their brands will be similarly tarnished like them too.

And by reasons do you mean things like quoting their own words or linking to their website and fundraising pages? It's not exactly some obscure piece of information.

Again, I didn't say that did I. Why are you so intent on both putting words in my mouth that I didn't say and apologising for this organisation when they have multiple examples of this sort of thing?

You realise when I say "everyone" I don't mean literally every single person in the UK right?

Are other races allowed to be sexually racist?