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I think we have to accept that human nature means that sadly attacks like this are inevitable. They have existed in some form or another for as long as we have been here and so it is about minimising them through education and through continued vigilance from those in authority. Imo banning religious schools whilst I can see the argument would make not one iota of difference to the current situation.

You've embarrassed yourself with regards to religion enough on here. I would have thought you would have learnt your lesson by now. As I predicted in that thread you would run away, ignore it and then pop up again as if nothing happened.

How do you reckon government agencies should go about that?

OK well I haven't heard the interview, I only read the transcript so I'll take your word for it. Pretty idiotic thing to say then if that's the case.

He clearly wasn't comparing ched Evans to the Hillsborough families in the way that that article implies.

You still haven't answered mintys earlier question about what the answer is to all these nasty Muslims.

This is the point made by a Muslim on five live earlier. Said he was offended by the cartoons but that living in a society is about compromise.

So anything the Westboro Baptist church do is "a Christian incident?" Andres Breivik shootings were "A Christian incident?" Don't be a fool. I could kill someone tomorrow and claim I did it in the name of Jesus. Doesn't make it a Christian incident.

Maybe racist was the wrong word but the effect is the same. Is there a more succinct phrase than "deeply intolerant of different beliefs and of foreigners in general?"

It's easy to dismiss something like that when there is no chance of it happening to you (and when it doesn't support your argument.)

Again though, just because some nutters purport to do something in the name of Islam does not mean it is an Islamic incident. It simply means that there are a number willing to use Islam as a cover to commit their atrocities. I feel that we are going in circles here and I'm still unsure what your point is nor what solutions you are offering. If Islam is a religion practiced solely by nutters then what do you think should be done? What are the practical steps to take to reduce terrorist attacks in the West?

Yep. Just comes across as quite ignorant to be honest. I would be interested to know his experience with Muslims though.

A friend of mine is a Muslim and was born in this country. Her mum is English and her dad came to study here from Iraq in the seventies and then saddam took power and it was no longer safe for him to return home. Immediately after 9/11 she was 14. Her dad was thrown off a bus by a crowd because he looked like an Arab and was wearing a rucksack. She was shouted and sworn at in London and was told to say she was Indian if asked to avoid confrontation. Thoughts Sour Mash?

And that is entirely my experience too. It's weird though, it appears that those who agree with us are the people who have met or who know quite a few Muslims whereas those demonising them appear to have little or no relationships with them. Funny that!

Hold on, are you suggesting there are no positives to any sort of immigration to any country?

We've established your views, so what is your solution? Throw out the Muslims perhaps? Maybe a quota system? I reckon some sort of badge (possibly a yellow star) would be good so we can quickly ide tiny those who might be a danger to Western society.

yes I did! I literally said the reason it was a positive thing in the response. Do you need reading lessons?

I love the care and effort Minty took to craft an intelligent reply only for you to give your four word excuse for a response.

Erm I did explain why. I believe that multiculturalism is a good thing as long as everyone is of the mindset that they want to contribute to society and improve things for all. I welcome everyone to come to the west if they don't want to hurt others and have the skills and ideas to improve their lives and the lives of others. This includes people of all religions regardless of what they believe. I don't agree with radicals from any walk of life and I think every effort should be used to stop extremists wherever they may be. That doesn't mean I consider all of Islam to be an evil thing (or any religion). The movement of Muslim into many countries in the West is a positive thing in the same way that multiculturalism is a positive thing across society. In general it encourages creativity, promotes understanding across cultures and in general means that people can assimilate into a culture quite seamlessly. My view is formed from knowing many Muslims personally and having spoke to them about their faith that they believe passionately in but also about their deep love for the UK where they now live. Of course this is the view for the vast vast majority of Muslims. Where do you derive your contrary view from?

Many would die for their beliefs but even if that were wrong, you aren't suggesting that that one person on radio 5 is speaking for all muslims are you?

OK so you do believe that muslims living in the West is a bad thing. Apologies I thought your argument was slightly less xenophobic and borderline racist than that.

What do you mean by the growth of Islam? What does that entail in the West? Do you mean Muslims living in Europe? Are you suggesting that Muslims should not be here? If that isn't what you are suggesting then what do you mean? I see allowing people who want to contribute to society and to practice their beliefs safely to live in the West is a good thing. Thankfully the vast vast majority of Muslims do that and I an thankful for them and that I live in a country that gives people the freedom to believe what they like.

What do you mean by the growth of Islam? If you mean muslims living in the West then I have no problem with it at all. If you mean extremists being allowed to preach hate here then I agree they shouldn't be here.

Who said anything about fading away? I expect over a long period of time something else will come and take their place as has happened through all of human history. And it is a few nutters clearly unless you think it's a large percentage of the Muslim population (in case you are under that illusion, it isn't.)

Yep. How many radical islamists do you reckon there are as a percentage of Muslims on the earth?