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Would the PLC be de-listed as soon as it goes into administration? And would this mean that it is, effectively, no longer a PLC?

To be fair we only have Crouch's side of this meeting. I'd like to know what his proposal (demands?) really consisted of, other than a change in manager. He has zero credibility in Lowe's and Wilde's eyes because of how he supposedly "mismanaged" the club, so they're hardly likely to hand him the reins while they still own shares. The resignation/removal of JP might have been an area in which Crouch and Wilde WERE on the same page (not that Wilde would have admitted this at the meeting). Wilde was unnerved by the Doncaster crowd fisaco, so Lowe might have had his hand forced a little there. But he still came back with a "screw you" appointment of Wotte to keep his Dutch experiment alive. The "come back when you have six million" comment was pure Lowe - arrogant and patronizing. I don't see that money going in its entirety to cut the overdraft because that gets us nowhere, really, and the word was that this was being reduced gradually and in a way that should have satisfied Barclays. I suspect Crouch's proposal for joint cash injections was aimed largely at strengthening the squad before the window closes, so his concept has a really short shelf life. I'm not sure how Leon can make this work if he doesn't have the money to buy out Wilde, Lowe and Lowe's associates. And even then it would produce virtually no squad strengthening. And I'm not sure how he can cut Lowe and Wilde out of future control situations if they don't "walk" because, in my understanding, a Unanimous Shareholders Agreement needs to be just that - unanimous. How on earth could he get unanimous shareholder buy in, never mind quickly?

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This is a good sign, though. I just hope it's not against company policy.

Agreed. The Board could hardly issue a call for unity, could it? Well, not without the entire fan base suffering an involuntary evacuation of the bladder.

If they say football/success/coaching "is all about results" one more time when it is so selectively applied I'm going to explode. STFU - or else apply it to the turds who really are at the root of the problem. If you can find them. Oh, and by the way, isn't there supposed to be some sort of symbolic cord-pulling/introduction thing at an unveiling? Out of respect for the "new person". For all Wilde and Lowe know, Wotte could still be sitting behind a curtain now. You sooooo couldn't script this sh*t.

All they had to do was ask some questions - not level accusations. That shouldn't get them sued. Are they afraid of losing access? Or simply gutless?

Glad to have brightened your day. The problem for me is not so much what's being said but the fact that there are people on here with multiple personas, and some with an agenda of their own, trying to play everyone for fools. Nobody's going to lose a limb over it but it's a pain in the ass.

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=162171&highlight=monotonous#post162171 (Post 36) Just wondering if these two people are actually one and the same. It's such an unusual turn of phrase, for this forum anyway. God, I hate this multiple persona thing.

I think I've mentioned the old Polish proverb on here before: "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day" Rupert's strategy for football club governance. Trouble is, we're running out of hours.

There's a joke there somewhere but I'm not touching it!

Scared of Rupert? Loss of access? The Echo has been called all sorts of things but I hope to God they're not gutless. Someone in the media needs to ask questions like these.

Rupert detests leaks. He'll do whatever he needs to do to stop them.

I just have one question, because answers to all the others will flow from that. Are the three major shareholders willing to take this club into administration because they can't set aside their egos and personal differences?

That's probably pretty accurate. It's sad, really, because he could be a heck of a player, given good coaching.

How long has everyone on the forum been saying that? The point is that it hasn't happened. Perhaps "had" would be a more appropriate word than "have". Others would need to match Leon's contribution, relatively speaking, or he'd have to be nuts to make it. It would be like giving his money to Lowe and Wild, and I suspect he'd rather have daily enemas for the rest of his life.

Dave, I agreed with most of what you said on another thread regarding the need for width, but don't look to Dyer for it. He continually cuts inside, often up blind alleys, and doesn't always track back defensively. Unless someone (who?) can get these problems out of his system and get him to skin a full back down the line I fear he wouldn't add much.

There's something about Rupert that makes me think he's always got some kind of snide plan in play. He's like an upper crust Del Boy ... and about as successful. I wouldn't trust him as far as I can p*ss him, and as I can't even p*ss p*ss very far these days, that's not very far at all.

I wouldn't overestimate this but I wouldn't rule it out either. SMS is Premiership-calibre ground with a top quality playing surface. That provides more inspiration to opponents than it does to us, because we play there every week.

Wouldn't it be fair to say, though, that the biggest obstruction to new ownership has been the inability of the Big Three to get their act together? While other (then less attractive) clubs have found buyers, anyone interested in us has lost interest after encountering the poisonous ownership situation. I agree that it's not likely, Ron, but I wouldn't rule it out. Something big has to be forcing these guys to meet.

Perhaps the tranch that keeps us out of administration, Ron?

Yes, it won't be nice, but we don't need the to like eachother and play footsy under the Board table. We need them to get their sh*t together and run this club the way it deserves to be run. But we've needed that for how long now? Oh well, they say it's never too late, but I have a ton of doubts.

If it's happening it must surely have been triggered by something big on the horizon - a joint willingness to sell and get the hell out, impending administration, a willingness to jointly and equally pump some money in, a joint willingness to take on another major shareholder. What else? I can't see it being just to take Lowe out of the firing line and de-tooth Crouch, Dave. Leon's not that stupid - or, probably, forgiving.

Two old sayings spring to mind: The first one is "Necessity is the mother of invention". The second one has something to do with a stable door and a horse charging off into the distance, out of control. I'm sure there are plenty of others.

Of course he must, and so must Wilde, but the following part of Wilde's statement shows that this kind of logic only applies to other people, not themselves: It's obscene that they get to make so many mistakes, to bring a club to its knees, and yet are completely immune to the consequences of their actions.