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Astonishing to see the same team and formation come out.

No creativity. Too much hope put on JWP to suddenly come good and be the next Frank Lampard.

Could so easily be 2 nil dow

We dont have the players or quality to do much else. Most our creativity has been sold.

Even without Mane and Wanyama we lack creative quality. A back 5 and three defensive midfielders. Just Pelle and Jrod attacking. Such an odd lineup

Europe was fun whilst it lasted. Awful defending.

If we concede i cant see us turning it around

Does look a very defensive team for us lacking in creativity. Odd lineup to me.

Still only 20. Written off already by some. I'd take him back!

I like Shane Long. Works hard, always gives 100% and unsettle defences. Good attitude. Gets the occasional goal - he has never been a regular scorer but contributes in other areas.

I don't agree with that. We haven't been great but both sides fairly even over all. Could go either way. The thing is based on last season we ought to be beating them, not matching them.

It's not Morgan we are missing. It's Clyne and Bertrand. Those two change the whole shape of the team.

Have Watford bid for Wanyama ?

If we had a stronger CB and Bertrand in there I think we'd be okay.

Two of those were quality defenders and coming forward. That would account for a lot of the change.

Ref doesn't like Long then. That's two obvious decisions against him.

Whichever way we try to dress up the new signings - we are significantly weaker than last year and we have more games to play. It's not a good combination.

At a lower level he'd probably be okay. Just doesn't look up to the pace and awareness required in the Premiership. So far.

Idiotic booking too.

Watford having the better of the game so far.

We do look more like a bunch of individuals now. But there is new faces so I suppose it's to be expected.

At this stage you'd have to say the black box is broken.

Cedric not so strong defensively. Vic playing for a move?

Romeu and Wanyama both pushed up there leaving a hole in the middle. They need to talk to each other.

Just the kind of breaking news we need on the eve of a match.