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Indeed...John Major's government doubled it.

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I wasn't being serious mate. Enjoy it, you've earned it.

Fecking pensioners and baby boomers.

Fair!

That's my thoughts. I think he'll want to make it right and with the players behind him, he's got a chance.

Eye positioning is a very real thing, but, I'm with you in that we need to draw a line and move on. My only concern re Tonda is that he's not wounded by this, and that the players back him 100%. If he's not the same, or they ain't behind him, this won't work.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. He was looking straight ahead throughout. People look up and to the right when lying. I saw none of that. He looked down and partially closed his eyes on occasions. That's an emotional response - a sign of discomfort, regret, sadness,etc. The sort of things he should be feeling at the moment. I saw a bloke who was upset and honest. My only negative observation is that he gave a clear account about footage from an earlier game, said why Boro was being observed but wasn't clear about the details beyond that. I also suspect a bit more thought went into what he said than he suggested,but his comment that he was speaking from the heart I believe. If you read him differently, please spell out what you're seeing.

I suspect that some of the people who think that there is a two tier system actually want a return to the two tier system of old/ that you allude to.

It don't move to portswood for peaceful protest. It moved for what we saw. I'm surprised there's dispute about that. The debate about the wider issues has begun, quite rightly, and I anticipate we'll see changes. Whether that gets stifled due to violence I'm unsure, but violence, often incited by a mixture of political opportunism and societal frustration (a benevolent choice of word), achieves absolutely nothing positive and only creates further divisions thus deepening the problem.

That's different to your comment that protesters were "angry at how the police carried out their duties on that fateful night". Whilst this case highlighted serious issues needing urgent attention, there isn't two tier policing, that's populist language. I agree with the sentiment of your last paragraph, but would say that was the main reason.

Thanks, just read that. Copied below: Nigel Farage, the Reform UK leader, also asked about the Nowak murder. He said: Farage suggested that was behind “the upset and the anger at the circumstances of his death, the anger that you saw spilling out in Southampton last night”. Some MPs jeered at Farage, saying he should condemn the violence. Farage went on: Starmer said: “I don’t believe there’s two-tier policing in this country.” And he said that he was “really shocked” by Farage’s approach. He said Farage pretended to respect Nowak’s family. But he was acting like this. Starmer went on:

I doubt you'll find any right minded person applauding any riots or rioters. "Voice of the unheard". What bollox. We don't live in a dictatorship where the masses have to rise up. A few coppers fucked up after a nasty cunt killed a lad. That, and the policies and societal shift which allowed it to happen, needs looking at. Everyone accepts that. What we don't need is more nasty cunts doing nonsense, creating yet more division (word deliberately used because it's a genuine problem, despite your view).

Are you seriously suggesting that yesterday's nonsense was mostly about those police officers poor judgement?