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Because he's not the club. The get have been punished for what they did. Tonda will now be punished, as an individual, for what he did. Is anyone disputing that what he did doesn't amount to misconduct?

I'm not sure who's telling anyone to "get over it". Accepting the reality of what we've done to ourselves is different. Re the rest. We haven't been "treated" in any way by the FA. Sure, Tonda has been charged, and any suggestion that he shouldn't have been is unrealistic. We can only hope he gets off lightly. The EFL treatment was kind of inevitable, and despite what you suggest, no other club has been caught trying to cheat their way through a play off final and lied through their teeth to the investigation people. As a fan, I'd loved to have seen us get off lightly, but given what we were trying to achieve from the cheating, I'm not sure what other penalty they could have given. The club will have learned from their botched approach to the EFL charge. Fortunately that'll mean being more realistic than fans inevitably will be.

Nobody "accepts" the punishment as fair, but the initial charge was obvious, as is this. We've got people telling us to defend something that we've already admitted, and with findings that we're stuck with that concluded this to have been a top down issue. What we need to accept is that we bought this on ourselves, Tonda bought it on himself, that the club made a proper shambles of the investigation and EFL process, that it doesn't matter that Bielsa got off with a warning, and that we're simply here to mitigate the damage.

Not being charged isn't a precedent. A precedent is what's done after charge, and for something comparable. If I get caught doing 50 in a 30, but get waved off, it doesn't mean that others will get away with similar.

Err, ok mate. One bloke getting away without a charge doesn't create a precedent for people not to be charged in the future.

Bielsa wasn't charged by the FA. We aren't going to rock up at FA towers and say "you didn't charge Bielsa, so nothing to see here" so I'm not sure why people keep bringing up Bielsa.

Touchline feels very unlikely for an offence which happened away from the pitch.

Indeed. Sadly that naivety and arrogance ran through our approach to process, and cost us. Hopefully we won't see a repeat.

Yep, but out of interest, what's the Chat GPT prediction?

Maybe, but I'm not sure the FA stops functioning during tournaments. Let's see what happens, but there's no doubting that any ban starting soon hurts more than a ban starting a while ago.

What's the defence to misconduct when you've admitted something which is misconduct? There's also findings that we're guilty "contrived and determined plan from the top down". We're stuck with those findings as a fact to be punished on. There's no defence. It's mitigation. We took an unrealistic approach to the League charges, and paid the price. The lesson to have learned was to be more realistic - defending something that a) you've admitted, and b) been found to have done, isn't realistic.

I'm assuming they'll ban him, for a relatively short period, and the ban has more impact if it kicks in during pre season than just after the season ends.

That they've charged him isn't a suprise, but the timing is a disgrace. Impossible to predict the penalty, but I'd imagine it'll be a ban. If it was to be a slap on the wrists, they'd have done that a while back, but they wouldn't have wanted part of a ban to burn out before the players are back. This feels like a bit of a stitch up in the making.

If Starmer had died suddenly or in tragic circumstances, do you think the flag wavers would have mourned or celebrated his passing? We all know the answer, so let's stop with this 2 tier mourning bollox.

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