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Gherkin

Re points deduction. Can a punishment for an offence in the EFL be transferred to the PL?

If he's done this, and it's off his own back, we'll have to hang him out to dry.

You're not getting this are you.

I heard he's going to be in the next series of Slow Horses.

Amen to that!

I addressed the point as you wrote it. Whether it meant something else to you is another matter.

Or take a flask.

Yep. The punishment is the issue, and for me, only a fine is proportionate. . I still think the whole thing is a storm in a teacup, and that Middlesbrough have been pathetic. The club are well advised though, and assuming they take a sensible path, I think we'll be ok.

The offence doesn't mention what is being observed, just a training session. It could be the warm up, or a keepy uppy competition. It does not have to be vital, and what exactly it is, and whether a bloke walking his dog could have observed it, is irrelevant.

If this has been donee by someone who's gone rogue, especially if it's part of a series, then our best mitigation is to deal with those responsible strongly. Our internal investigation needs to be done quickly, and ideally any wrongdoer dealt with before the club come before the tribunal. If any wrongdoer is self employed, that's a blessing in that we can bin them off without a dragged out disciplinary process.

That's relevant in two ways for me. It serves as evidence of how the observation took place. High tech gear, eyes, a phone, it's all the same from the perspective of observing and making our the offence. If the offence is made out, it then goes to the penalty. Rolling up with high tech gear, if that's happened, shows a level of planning that may strengthen the penalty.

Indeed, and the tribunal only has to be satisfied on the balance of probabilities. If they think it's more likely than not that the ingredients of the offence are made out, the case goes against us.

The allegation is that we've observed training. Not recorded it, nor streamed it, nor gained an advantage, just observed it. I don't see that his phone has any relevance to the offence being made out. If he was representing Saints, and observed them training within 72 hours of kick off, the offence is made out.

Is Salt the lad who's LinkedIn said a few days ago that he was at Saints?