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FFS, the state of some people.

The Israeli state.

Thanks. I don't subscribe to this powers above government/elite stuff. Nobody can point to who they mean. I think that Israel influence is much wider than people can imagine, and their wish for power goes beyond the middle east, and that people find it easier to point to unspecifieds than say Israel. Qatar was BP's point. I thought you were aligned with him, but if you're not on that point, understood.

The penultimate paragraph is particularly interesting, and carefully worded. Does your acquaintance frame it on that way, or more of a lean towards indoctrination/policies of those authorities?

To BP. Have you ever met an asylum seeker? When you do, ask them if they'd have stayed if their country was safe and they could have a reasonable life there. Every one would, and does, truthfully answer yes. Where I'm with you and Turkish is the whole moving to a safe place, then to here. Asylum is about safety and security, not a place of choice.

Where do Qatar fit into that? Who are you suggesting planned this in the 50's as you said yesterday?

I'm surprised the unspecified "elites" haven't had a mention yet. Regardless, I'm scratching my head as to why Qatar could possibly want to see Europe destabilised by a flood of Muslim migrants. Mossad / CIA orchestrating the recent Ceuta nonsense to aggravate the Spanish momentarily I can just about get, but the notion that Qatar is somehow, and for reasons unknown, trying to destabilise Europe as a whole is mental.

How do you know Qatar and Russia are funding any of this? What do Qatar gain by Muslims moving to Europe?

You earlier said there's a "grander plan to flood Europe with Muslims is looking more sensible by the day". I'll also again, who's making this plan to flood Europe with Muslims?

That's not my response, and I'm not from the left. If you say it's a plan, explain who you think is planning it. It's a simple question.

I'm not the one making bold claims. Who's planned in the 50's to overrun Europe with Muslims 70 years later? Who's behind any ongoing plan? It's your claim, so it's for you to explain.

Oh I see. A plan in the 50's to overrun Europe with Muslims 70 years later. Hmm. Sounds a bit MLT.

Who's plan is this?

We've got a campervan and wouldn't go back. Just need to be disciplined about how you use it. We only stay on nice sites with decent facilities, keep daily driving low, have plenty of stops (lunch, sites, bakeries, farm shop, etc), and stay somewhere where we either have peace and quiet and don't want to go far or somewhere we can walk to in the evening for food or whatever. CBA with sleeping on a roadside, shitting in the van, or making hard work of it.

Budapest is great and a good weekender. Easy to get around, both sides very different, good restaurants, the ruin bars are fun, amazing architecture, spas everywhere, reasonable prices but not cheap as say Krakow. We really enjoyed it.