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Have a day off being a prick mate. Lowe is an elected Reform MP, and made that comment whilst serving as a Reform MP. I know what their contract says, I referred to it, and their subsequent comment that it's a working draft, ie bollocks that they're rowing back from. I haven't said anything critical about the French system. It's your mate Farage who mooted adopting it. That is not a free at the point of entry system. Re the last bit. The difference between us is that you don't seem to give a fuck anyone else. A French style system, or an insurance based system, wouldn't work for huge swathes of the population. And you calling someone else a dinosaur. The irony.

Indeed. Lowe said the NHS should be "dismantled and reassembled", Farage has talked about a French style system, their "contract" with the public says nothing in particular, later saying it was a "working draft" which means they haven't got a clue what their position is.

Total bollocks. An insurance system, or French style (pay up front and get some of it back), as per Farage, isn't free at the point of entry.

🤞🙏🤞🙏 I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

Again, I get that, especially wanting something different. The Tories were crap, and labour have had a nightmare. But, not considering what something different actually looks like, and whether it can be achieved, is madness. I've said for ages that we'll get a reform government next, and I'm in little doubt now. It's obvious that they won't be able to give much of what they promise, but I'm in little doubt they'll deliver the bits that will impact in the people voting them in - austerity, no free at point of entry NHS, social division, etc. Let's see how they do at county level.

Sailor

I get that, but, theres no logic to not properly considering the viability and impact of who they are voting for. The forced repatriation of illegal immigrants is a concept, not a viable plan.

That's a nice shirt to be fair. Tie, whistle and cufflinks a bit shit though.

Solid labour heartland lurching to the right. Clueless. Absolutely clueless. In due course, when they get in, and the inevitable austerity bites, and their old mum has to sell up to get her hip fixed, they'll all be frothing at the mouth. Democracy doesn't work when there's such a level of deceit from snake oil salesman politicians, and the masses don't question what they're told, or play the tape forward.

Reform supporters talk as if illegal immigration is our main issue, and easily solvable. Neither are true, yet people naively support a party who say they'll address it. Firstly, they'd have to get legal changes past the HOL. Good luck. Then they'll need to think about how they'll assemble an ICE style gestapo to round up the 750k illegals. They then have to implement that, facing all sorts of issues as per the US. They've then got to house illegals pending removal, and a legal due process which will happen despite what the gullible think. They then need the judiciary to deal with the legal challenges. It doesn't exist on that scale. They then need to get the people on planes, and most importantly, find someone who'll take them. None of that will happen. None of that is funded - especially from a party pledging to slash taxes. It's all absolute bollox, swallowed people who won't admit that the main thing they want from reform is less brown people in the country, without any thought as to how the promise can be delivered, and the policies that actually impact people on a day to day basis. If people are honest, less illegal immigration won't actually change their lives in any meaningful way.

Source

I've got a mate who works there, and comes back periodically. He doesn't have a bad word to say about it.

You're deviating. This began by your support for benefit cuts. You confirmed that should extend to getting rid of housing benefit. You then said everyone should be housed. That's a very clear position - house everyone, but don't support anyone's housing costs via benefits. That'd leave huge numbers homeless, and you've ignored the question as to where those people would live. There's a disconnect in your position, and an unanswered question. How we deliver and fund the building of new housing stock is a separate issue to housing benefit.

They go where there's capacity, not where it'll spite a section of people. It's a stupid policy solely aimed at pleasing the stupid.

Doodle