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Rethinking being outside of the EU is a rethink. I'm not sure what we're not agreeing on!

I'm fine with that. Not in this term though - any government needs a mandate to look at it afresh.

Middlesbrough aren't involved. Us or the EFL can appeal - too harsh, us, too. lenient, them.

Yep. It's strict liability - you've either done it or you haven't.

It's completely different. This will be seen an attempt to gain a tactical advantage over one team in game one of a maximum 3 game series, with a prize of promotion to the PL, and all the riches that go with. That has zero comparison to financial irregularities across many, many games. There is no comparable. None, hence the risk of us being made the example as a deterrent.

You've identified the sides whilst saying there aren't sides!! This is EFL Vs Saints. Sides.

The point the poster made was that we didn't get a sporting advantage. We may or may not have - theoretically we could have tweaked something so managed to scrape a nil nil... theoretically. Regardless, the panel will focus on the advantage we could have gained in such a massive game.

Why does this keep being said? It's utterly irrelevant. What's relevant is that the intention was to gain a sporting advantage, in the first of a series of games with a £200m prize.

I think people aren't looking at the context, and value, of the fixture. Massive outcome, massive penalty. If it was before the final, or even 2nd leg with it in the balance, I think we'd be in huge trouble.I think the club would swallow a massive fine. Let's see where it goes.

It is, but as I've said above, there needs to be a penalty that neither side would appeal. A small ISH fine, and only a small points deduction, would likely be appealed imo. £5ish mil, 4-6 points, and both sides would live with that imo.

I reckon something in the order of £5m, and we'll live with it.

I'd imagine they'd stick with Paris Smith, although what matters is choice of Counsel.

It's only a shite argument if you wanted Brexit and are happy with what you got. To anyone else, it's logical. Regardless, it's not been a success, so warrants a rethink.

Nah, it's a 115 point deduction or £115m fine I reckon.

Yep. The regs allow them to do what they like with us, but the lack of any penalty tariffs means we'd use our right of appeal (leading to a full rehearing) if we go down in flames. All sorts of problems arise, hence I see an outcome which neither us or the EFL are particularly happy with, but wouldn't appeal.