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As much as I agree that our economy is in trouble, and that welfare (pension included) needs addressing, the point can't be overlooked that big cuts could be counterproductive to the economy... welfare largely goes back into the economy...all sorts of societal issues with high numbers of people not able to meet needs and pay bills, including the rent...then the knock on impact of that. The call to cut welfare must come with restraint.

We'll agree to differ. His point was very clear to me - PiP can pay you more than minimum wage, not PiP coupled with other benefits. I haven't seen the beyond the paywall article to see whether his quote was accurate, but if it was, the punctuation was unfortunate if it was to be interpreted as you have.

Blimey, that's very sad if correct. Regardless, what a horrible way to go, and to have witnessed.

The insinuation was clear" "A minimum wage worker who works 40 hours per week would take home around £1,880 per month after tax; however, if you are classed as too sick to work and claim PIP, you can take home £2,000 tax free per month". If he was referring to a basket of benefits l, rather than PiP alone, he should have been clear.

Not from PiP. A basket of benefits, sure, but nobody gets more than the maximum PiP, because the max is the max. Sometimes, it's ok to admit you're wrong.

I've given you the actual figures mate. They're correct. I appreciate they don't match your narrative, but that still makes them correct.

A newspaper isn't a source. It's a publisher. The source of its info is what matters, you know, actual facts.

They don't. Someone's made it up to try to demonstrate that PiP pays more than full time minimum wage. I'm also doubtful of the car related figures. Most PiP claimants aren't eligible for mobility cars.

I get the point, and agree that it's an abused benefit which needs revision, but your figures are well off. Standard PiP is £76.70 a week. Enhanced £114.60. Mobility element , if entitled, adds either £30.30 or £80.00 a week. A max of £194.60 a week isn't £2k a month.

Mixedhisdrinks has certainly taken a shine to you mate.

Parole

Good. I want to see us absolutely bossing the midfield, and JWP having the chance to get forward a bit more and be more creative higher up the pitch. 3-1 today.

Whisper

Writer

Any reason why couldn't have chosen to identify as English?