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Jeez. They're not. It's a terrorist attack. It'll be interesting to know what further intel the US had, and that may reveal itself. The retribution will be towards Ukraine (and despite what's been said on here many times, Russia still have plenty to hit Ukraine with), and anyone else that Russia suspect supported the attack.

He sure is. Sits by the door rather than being on the door since his accident. Top man is Pat. I'd have loved to have gone to the hacienda - would have been nice to see where new order's money went.

That's one I missed sadly. Vaccines there were something else, and the busiest I've ever seen it by a mile. Paul Heaton was immense. Cracking little venue.

Nocturnal

Sad to hear, and shows that cancer can get any of us. Hopefully she can make a full recovery, and that the press and paparazzi respect her and her families privacy.

It's been happening for years mate. Shooting kids dead, or disabling them with dum dum bullets, happens most days in the west bank. Overnight they also ploughed up the roads in a refugee camp, burst the water mains, knocked over electricity poles, and destroyed homes. Not collective punishment of course.

Not sure what to make of it. The only thing I noticed was no wedding ring.

River

Trader

Ha!! A wee bit different to leaving your own country open to complete destruction though CB. It's the lurch from one to the other that I can't agree with.

I don't have much time for any organised religion Whelk, and as much as I don't like the Iranian (and Saudi, etc) interpretation and enforcement of it, it doesn't lead me to conclude that they're 'islamist nutters' (blatantly islamaphobic comment btw - I suspect describing the Israeli's as 'jewish nutters' may raise an eyebrow) likely to nuke another state and cause their own destruction.

Alternatively, you could read the charter and interpret it correctly as was covered way up there ^^^^

That's a more sensible and credible explanation Del than some of that above, but martyrdom of the whole country and it's people would be the impact of a nuclear attack by Iran on Israel. Lighthouse's opinion that the Iranian interpretation and enforcement of sharia on the ground is evidence that they'd risk their entire nation to destroy Israel is one that I find ridiculous. Iran, like anyone else with a nuke, want a nuclear deterrent. That works - nobody will now attack North Korea, and the west back off from Russia . Iran are plainly a future Iraq/Afghanistan, but with a nuke, they have guaranteed safety albeit with a lifetime of sanctions for not doing as they're told.

In summary: You: 'They're Islamist nutters' You: They kill gay people in accordance with their interpretation of Islam. You: Cos of that they want to destroy Israel, and as a consequence see the destruction of their country and people. Me: You're absolutely bonkers, and clearly don't have much time for Islam or Islamists.

The suggestion that because they have a strict interpretation of Sharia law means that they'll wipe out Israel even if it means mutual destruction, is as absurd an opinion as I've seen on this thread. Absolutely bonkers.

Night

We got there quicker than I thought. They're more likely to use a nuke cos they're Muslim. What a reasonably thought out reason that is. On the wider issue, this isn't religious per se. Sure, there are historical claims, but the religious aspect in recent times was the western desire to create a Jewish state hot on the heels of WW2. Since then it's been about resistance, occupation, punishment, reprisals, repeat.

Do you honestly believe that Iran want a nuclear weapon to eliminate Israel? If so, do you really think that they would be stupid enough to use it? Iran want a nuclear deterrent for the same reason as us, Russia, the US France, North Korea, etc. Why are they felt more likely to use a nuke than anyone else? It's one thing wanting a nation not to exist, it's a hell of a stretch to suggest that a nation would allow itself to be destroyed to take out another. On the wider issue, your belief is that your belief is the right one. It sure ain't universally held, and I suspect isn't the widespread view in this country. This forum ain't a reliable barometer for sensible opinion.

It will have been breached if they stormed Rafah. I think the US have fortunately done enough to rule that out.

From the off, their stated aim to eliminate Hams was never achievable. I'm glad you now agree.

And there lies the problem - the belief that this mess is all as a consequence of 7/10. Of course, his episode in Gaza flows from that. What happened prior to that was mainly on Israel. What we're seeing in the west bank is on Israel. Many western governments have all but renounced this Israeli government but still they continue, seemingly cheered on by many. The solution does not lie exclusively with Hamas. You know that.

Err, it's Israel's stated aim to eliminate Hamas.

They didn't wipe out the PLO. Or if they did, they got Hamas as a replacement. Nobody can seriously believe that Hamas, or as a minimum it's cause and backers, will be eliminated by this.

Running

Lol at the daft cunts finding that funny.