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Can't disagree with that. People either have good judgement or they don't. Starmer has shown himself to have poor judgement, and from our PM, that's bloody worrying.

Absolutely this. Iran showed their hand and it wasn't enough to do any harm. It's backfired, and that's before the reprisals. The talk of a wider war is nonsense. There is nobody else to get involved in all reality. Israel will do some serious harm to Iran's threat in the near future. That'll leave them to jockey for position on regional superiototy with the Saudis, but that'll not lead to conflict.

It seems that you shout because you want to block out other views, and regardless yours as the only one that matters. Not a helpful or respectful approach. Nobody can sensibly discuss this issue without looking at all perspectives. Your focus is simply that Iran (and Hamas etc) don't what Israel to exist. We know that. We also know that Israel don't support an independent Palestinian state with it's own land. You either don't seem to accept that, or consider it less important than what you want to shout about.

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They don't look like missile strikes. Seems like shrapnel. The Israeli defences are seriously impressive.

Calm down poppet, no need to shout. Capitals don't make your point any better. They just highlight your unwillingness to look beyond your opinion. We'll never prevent middle eastern objection to Israel. Israel also don't want Palestine to exist - they don't support 2 states. They steal Palestinian land. It's a 2 sided thing, and a wee bit more nuanced than your simple view.

It's hilarious that think that you know what I think.

The crux if the issue is the need for a separate Israel and Palestinian state. Israel refuse that. They also settle the West Bank. They also detain hundreds of Palestinians without charge. Etc etc. Israel need to change.

Your inability to look at the bigger picture makes discussion with you pointless.

In part, yes, but theres a hell of a lot more to it than that. Whatever happens with Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis, etc, there'll never be peace if Israel won't agree to 2 states and behave better.

I can't see Saudi getting involved in direct conflict with Iran. Syrian involvement will make it interesting and to some extent a proxy war. Personally I don't see things escalating with other states - Israel can look after themselves with US support behind the scenes.

Indeed - it'll backfire. All this has done is show that Iran can't get past iron dome, and his given Israel a reason to smash Iran. People keep talking about a wider regional war, but with Iran looking a bit shit, I'm not sure who else people think are getting involved. It looks like Israel are at match point here.

Gotcha, cheers.

What's it showing?

Whereas the Israeli treatment of Palestinians has been all cuddles and kisses.

Why were Hezbollah firing on Israel? We can keep peeling back the layers all day, and we'll all stop where it suits us to.

It'll backfire. Iron Dome will knock the missiles out like they did last time, then Israel will respond and nullify them like they did with Egypt, Syria etc years ago. If Israel take out the Iranian nuclear infrastructure that's the Iranian threat all but dead and buried. I'm not sure what Iran hope to achieve from this.

You're not persuading me that you'd seen anything in Delap that made you confident that he'd do well in the PL. It's hindsight.

Is Betfair a charity?

Correct. He was unproven at this level. He didn't cut the mustard with England under 21's. Nothing he'd done screamed that he was a good idea and a better option than the likes of Broja who'd done it on the PL. We can all rate people with hindsight.

Quite a few of them would have improved us in the first half tonight.

So we keep him because you can't think of anyone better? That's no reason to keep the bloke.

Yep. Send them out early, don't go out there yourself.

He is now they've edited it! They had us round the wrong way initially.

They're all on the bench. Bizarre.