St Will

Not sure, I'll go ask him, he's down the chippy with Elvis, I just saw him waiting for a small sausage

Replacing Massa while he recovers..on SSN now

lol

Shouldn't the thread be renamed, "name as many famous black people as you can"?

Too much hair I think....

It definitely looks a lot more like OJ Simpson than Jermaine Beckford that's for sure!

We're ****ed if we only have Paterson and White come the start of the season. We're not ****ed yet. Patience.

Possibly, but perhaps some fresh faces who haven't had to go through all the sh1t our players have gone through over the last few years might not be a bad thing.

No point in having players here who don't want to be here. I have to say I wasn't overly impressed with him at the Hearts game anyway. Looks out of shape, and let's not forget he's not exactly getting any younger. On the face of it, because of his goals a couple of seasons ago, it's a disappointment, but I reckon it'll turn out to be a good thing - some fresh faces are what we need right now.

Anyway, enough's enough, this is the sports personality of the year thread. Good night.

He also hit a perfect shot into 18 and got an awful bounce on the green. Something he had no control over. Mentally he would have been in tatters after that. In most sports, if you execute perfectly, you get a perfect result. That's the thing that's so hard about golf, you can do everything perfectly and still get a bad result. It sucks. But that's what makes it so great.

I have re-read what I wrote. The point I made wasn't even about recovery in golf or slalom at all!! All I was saying was Watson was done once he didn't get in the playoff. Not because he didn't have time to recover the situation, but because he was knackered and mentally in a mess!

I wasn't doing anything but discussing what happened to Watson in the Open in the last post before you came out with an argumentative point, AGAIN. Just because I decided to discuss Watson in the Open does not mean I was disagreeing about your point about no time for recovery in kayaking, does it?! If you've assumed that, then you're wrong!

I wasn't making an excuse and I'm not going to entertain you with a response if you're going to spoil for an argument every time you find an opportunity to!! OK I really have had enough of this now. You're right, it's boring. So let's just knock it on the head. No doubt you'll come back with another smart arse comment, but I'm not going to give this discussion any more of my time, because it's going nowhere!

He was gone as soon as he made bogey on the 72nd and got himself in the playoff though - mentally he must have been in pieces, and being an old boy, he was knackered too.

Well that's something that has been discussed. Yes, every golfer needs a coach. Because you need another pair of eyes to keep an eye on your technique while you're hitting shots. And another person can have a more objective view on your technique than yourself. Regarding him changing his technique.....a lot of people have said he shouldn't have changed, but he's always striving to be better. Even when he was completely dominant, in 2000/2001, he fought a hook and a block off the tee. So I guess he tried to fix that. I think that's what makes great sportsmen great. They are never satisfied - they always want to improve. Bolt has a coach. So does Federer. There are very few who don't have a coach and/or a trainer.

OK well if you ask Tommy Watson bout the margins between winning and losing in golf, he'll give you a pretty strong answer, especially after what happened on the last hole of the Open. And that kind of thing happens nearly every week. When it comes down to it, one error and you're done. And as Watson would tell you about the 72nd hole of the Open, you can hit a perfect shot - you can execute absolutely perfectly - and you can still get punished. one of the reasons why golf is so much a mental game.

Why? In case you feel silly about what you said?! :confused: He practices harder than anyone, he trains harder than any golfer. He does everything that bit more than anyone. The reason he was missing fairways wasn't down to lack of practice or too much time in the gym. It was because his coach has been giving him bad advice on his technique for a while now. Hence why there are rumours that he's been fired. If he wasn't as strong as he was, he'd have missed the cut by 12, because he wouldn't have been able to hit it out of the rough as well as he did! If Watson had had to chop it out of the hay the amount of times he did, he would have shot +20!!

I thought you get two runs though? So you get two chances to put up your best time/score right?

Yeah well I can't agree with that. You only have 18 holes to get back on track if you're on the first hole. When you're on the 18th hole and you hit it in the water or you miss a tap in putt, you can't fix it. I know.....I missed a 4 foot putt and a 6 foot putt on 16 and 17 today and it cost me a grand. 10 feet of grass between me and a grand. The margins are very small, and every shot can cost you a place and cost you money, and can cost you winning tournaments.

Of course you can handle the physical side of it, for the standard you play. But when you want to hit the ball well over 300 yards, you need the strength and power to swing at the speed required and the strength to be able to control the club. A lot of it is injury prevention too. And the biggest reason, he says, is that when he's walking down the last hole of a tournament, he's as fresh as a daisy, and everyone else is knackered. Because of that, he can handle his nerves better. That's why he wins so many tournaments right at the death. He's certainly not "wasting his time". I suggest you read his website - he explains it all a lot better than I do. http://web.tigerwoods.com/fitness/healthAndFitness

It doesn't make him worse, which you're trying to imply. Woods has 100-150 players in the same field also trying to win. And if you hit a bad shot in golf, that can end your tournament. In kayaking, you get several attempts at the same slalom course to get that perfect run. There's no second try in golf.

Which has no relevance whatsoever when discussing who is the greater sportsman.

Look back on the thread about the Open, I actually made the point I'd think he'd miss the cut. His coach has ****ed his swing technique up, and he can't hit it off the tee at the minute. His coach is pretty much fired by the sounds of it, so once he has that resolved, he'll be back doing what he did in 2000. I think he'll win 21 or 22.

I'm not making a differentiation or a comparison. I'm not saying that one is more important than the other. I'm saying the fact there are 4 majors in a year, and one world champs in kayaking, is irrelevant. Woods has won 14, and Fox, 10.