Lord Duckhunter

Clegg attacked Cameron's policy of setting a cap on immigration, perhaps one of his many supporters could explain the difference between that, and no immigration in some areas and a cap in others?

Clegg said they had to live where local services could take them. How do you enforce this? How can we stop them commuting from areas that have too much immigration, where Clegg doesn't allow any more immigration, to a job in areas where they can work. The job permit part I understand, but how do you enforce where they live? What is the difference between the Tory policy (attacked by Clegg) of a certain number in the UK, and Clegg's of a certain number in certain areas?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure Mr Clegg said yesterday they have to live in areas where the local services and schools can take them. How are they going to enforce this? For example a Doc from India can only work in the UK as a Doc, say in a NHS hospital in my home town of Poole, because there is a shortage. Poole's local services and schools can cope with his family. What if he wants to live in Ealing with his Dad from India's schoolboy friend who moved here years ago, and commute to Poole. The Ealing schools and local services are over run and if he wanted to work in Ealing, would not be able to do so. How do the Lib/Dems stop him living in Ealing, but working in Poole. Are there going to be Border Police on the Train to waterloo, will he have to report to Poole police station weekly,or will the border police call at his given address in Poole to check he's still there. The Lib/Dems are against ID cards for immigrants, so how can we check where he's living? What happens when his children become 16, are they automatically allowed to work in Ealing or are they restricted to Poole? If he has 6 children and they want to live in an already saturated immigrant area, surely they are going to compound the problem. Nick Clegg attacked Cameron for setting a limit/number on Immigration, but surely he's done the same only regionally. Once Poole reaches it's limit, no more immigration, Cameron's saying once the UK reaches it's limit, no more immigration , what's the difference?

I'm still waiting for the sandal brigade to explain the "regional immigration policy". They seem to be ducking the issue.

So is that the Lib/Dems plan. Come forward for the amnesty, and we'll deport you? I think Mr Griffin might go for that one. None of the sandal wearers have answered the question. If they can prove they've been here for 10 years and have real evidence, why cant the Lib/Dems track them down and chuck them out?

I was being serious.

What evidence? His pay slips? Council tax bill? Knowing the Labour Govt, he'd proberly be able to provide his benefits book. If he can provide evidence, then he can be found and chucked out. I have some knowledge of living illigally having done so in the past. For 4 years, I worked in the US and met countless others doing the same. Believe me, there would have been no trace of me, and no way I could prove I'd been living there for 4 years.I paid no tax, had a dodgy driving licence, paid my rent in cash with a false name, and generally went about my daily life leaving no trace. I even got fined $96 for disorderly intoxication and still left no trace.

Sounds like the Pope to me, perhaps Mr Clegg should take up with his his Wife her "aligning" herself with that extremist.

There policy is for regional immigration, how does that work? Are they to be given passes and told where to live? Are we going to stop and search immigrant looking people to check they're living in the right place? Are they allowed to visit and stay with friends in other Non Immigration regions? What if you're caught living in a non immigration area, can you apply for the amnesty? Whose checking where these people live, do they have to report to the Police station every week? It is not workable. As for an amnesty, if it's easy to check whether someone has been here for 10 years, then it's easy to track them down and throw them out. It appears Lib/Dem policy that if you're a Doc from India wanting to come to the UK, you may get in, but you'll have strict controls on where you work and live ( The BNP would like that one), but if you're a uneducated illigal Somalian ex pirate, you can turn up saying "hi I've been here 10 years", and you can work and live where ever you want. I would expect my 9 year olds mock election to have better thought out policies than that.

Polish president Lech Kaczynski's PIS Party were part of the grouping the Torys sit with. After his recent death tributes poured in from Barack Obama,Angela Merkel who said “Lech Kaczynski has been a real representative for the interests of his country, he loved his country and he fought for Europe. I knew that he dedicated his whole life to Poland’s and Europe’s freedom.” , Gordon Brown said the whole world would be 'saddened'. Nick Clegg paid tribute to the man, as did The Queen. I doubt very much whether the tributes would have been so wholesome and full of praise if he was an "extremist". Or are these leaders just hypocrite's?

The truth about many Lib/Dems policies is they are written not as some sort of prinicple, but to appeal to both sides in any debate. In immigration they can say to Tory leaning floating voters, "we're tough on immigration, people will only be allowed in with certain skills and only into areas of the Country with no immigration at present" to the Left leaning voter they can say "we're pro immigration, we will have an amensty". Same with Trident, they are appealling to the left, by saying they'll scrap it and to the right by saying they'll replace it with a similar system, only cheaper. On tax Cuts they appeal to the right with a massive tax cut for middle England, but appeal to the left by paying for it with a "mansion tax" and saying they'll take the poorest out of tax altogether (although the poorest hardly pay any tax as it is).The Lib/Dems are pulling the wool over the British voters eyes and the policies dont add up. What will they replace Trident with, and how can they know the savings they'll make if they dont know what the replacement is. How can you have a regional immigration in a small country like ours. How are they going to pay for a tax bribe for middle England How can they call for a clean up from top to bottom of Parliament when they refuse to give back Michael Brown's stolen money to the people he stole it off. My Daughters school are doing some work on elections and have candidates standing for a mock one. I would expect those policies will form part of these 9 year olds manifesto's. I dont really expect to see them from a serious British Party.

I thought they all did pretty well. Pretty well for Brown is third but managing to keep his temper and not make a complete chump of himself. Lib/Dems policies dont add up when put under the microscope, but this particular forum is not set up in such a way to expose them completely.The Lib/Dems got rid of Campbell to get someone in who is better media wise, had it been Campbell saying exactly the same things as Clegg, amensty for illigals, regional immigration, not replacing Trident, or using necular power stations, then he'd have been crushed. The Lib/Dems policies only seem reasonable because they are explained by a man who comes across as reasonable. You only have to look at their grassroot activists, they're a bunch of sandal wearing dreamers who are away with the fairies.

When William Hague was asked to comment on Prescott's punch at the time , he replied " I try not to punch the voters",

If Lambert, Fonte, Pardew or Lallana want to go, let them. The only person I'm worried about losing is ML. From what we've seen of him so far, they'll be replaced with people of equal quality.

Where's Rupert?

Even in American Presidental elections the person who gains the popular vote does not necessarily get elected. Electrol reform is needed in this Country, but it's a root and branch reform that's needed not just the voting system. If we have a devolved Scottish Parliament, then we need an English one, with the same devolved areas. We need reform of the House of Lords, it's wrong that Lords can be appointed to Govt, without being elected by anyone.Members of the cabinet should be elected members of Parliament and we should have fixed term Parliaments.

MP's should not be taking donations directly into their private bank accounts whether declared or not.Had it not been declared then it would have been a resignation matter, as it is, it just shows bad judgement.

William Hague went for the leadership too early, the Tories should have held their nose and gone with Clarke after '97. Personally I would have liked to see David Davis lead the party, but would settle for Portillo or Hague. It's a pity that the rabid right of the party didn't do what the Labour left did with Blair and tolerate one of Clarke or Portillo. I guess their principles are to be admired in some way, but it certainly have a negitive efect on the Party nationally. Ken Clarke made some very telling observations about Cable the other morning. He said he'd known him for years and that he agreed with 80% of what Cable said, and had done for years. However, he said he couldn't believe Cable had let himself get signed up to this income tax cut and that it was pressure for the leadership that forced it on him.

My mate lives in the outskirts of Dublin and they have a local off Licence that delivers. He uses it quite a bit as do a lot of his mates.

You've hit the nail on the head. Personally I'd like to see Hague replacing Osborne.

But last week Clegg claimed he'd "spent his whole adult life trying to clean up politics". If you make a claim like that, surely the press are entittled to look into your record. Both other parties are scrutinised, why shouldn't the Lib/Dems be? Surely nobody thinks that having donations paid into your private bank account, is cleaning up politics. I run a Golf Society, and would never dream of mixing up the Societies money with mine.

This wasn't a case of a "scramble" this came to light from the same documents that they obtained to blast open the expenses scandel. A story which they ran about all parties. Therefore to try and make out this is a "smear" is clearly wrong.

Sir Alistair Graham,former chairman of the Committee on Standards in Public Life was on Sky news last night.He said the arrangement appeared to be 'irregular', and he went on to say that if you're going to stand on a platform of "cleaning up the old politics" and gain electrol advantage because of that, you need to be whiter than white. Whether you run a pub football team, a Xmas Club or a golf society, you do not mix your money, with the organisation's money.In my mind, along with his expenses claims, this shows that rather than have spent "all his adult life, trying to clean up politics" he has in fact had his snout firmly in the trough.What a hypocrite.

I've been through 7 elections my working life, and nothing has really changed after every one, including '97. I always found the NHS pretty good, even in the 80's. I've 4 Children ranging from 22 to 9 and I've found their schooling adequate at best and certainly no better than it was pre '97. There wasn't that much change since '97, remember Labour kept the Torys spending policies for 2 years, and in another era Blair would have been a "wet" Tory as it was. They've tinkered around the edges of Lords reform, and banned fox hunting, but other than that (if I lived in Scotland or Wales I might think differently ), here in England nothing much has changed, and nothing will. If you think the Lib/Dems are any different then you're wrong. The rush for the middle ground of British politics is alarming, with no radical thinkers. In the past people would have convictions and beliefs, that they then stuck to. They tried to persuade the public to back these convictions, they tried to change the publics minds through force of arguement. Now they follow the people, they listen to focus groups and follow the popular line. Mrs Thatcher would never had given people the right to buy, would never have beaten the unions, had she listened to focus groups and pollsters. Nick Clegg is a pro European, who beleives in the Euro. Instead of argueing his case and try to sway public opinion, he'll skirt round the issue during the next debate. His policy advisors will give him a line to take and he'll take it. same with Cameron and Brown on a whole load of issues, they'll take the moderate line, so they dont frighten the voters. Where are all the radical thinkers, where are all the opinion shapers and where are the risk takers in British Politics. Until we find them, we wont get real and sustainable change.

Not at all. If you bothered to look you'll see that Clegg has consitantly claimed more than Brown and Cameron, one year claimed over the maximum and had to pay some back,as an Euro MP claimed for first class travel but travelled second class. Personally I dont think that someone who thinks the tax payer should pay for his paper napkins and cake tins is fit to be PM, you might, but I certainly dont think that person is entittled to claim he's spent his "whole adult life, trying to clean up politics". What about the £42,000 Lord Renwick wrongly claimed, does that not count because he's in the Party of "change"