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It's a little depressing which outfield player holds the record for appearances in a season if that's right...

https://www.sporcle.com/games/Hogsback/southampton-fc-season-appearances 44/50, it was almost entirely the mid nineties mediocrity that let me down, along with 2005 and 1987. Can you name the players with most saints appearances each season since 1980?

This election campaign has made it pretty clear that much of Labour's core support no longer feel that Labour represent them properly. So what's the future of Labour/opposition then? Most people would probably agree that their is a need for some kind of socialism in the UK, whether that's in the form of healthcare paid for by the taxpayer, affordable housing, basic rights for workers, decent schools and other services funded by taxation etc. Those things will be catered for to an extent by the Conservatives, but they aren't really in line with Conservative ideals, as they are a part of socialism. Given enough power over enough time they will be heavily affected/eroded. Not that Conservative ideals are wrong, many of them are very important to me, but a world with no socialism would be pretty bleak. Just wondering, with this election looking a clear Tory win, what future, credible opposition will be? Will there be a genuine overhaul, or just a reshuffling? Is "not Corbyn" really enough? Interested in perspectives from both sides.

To be fair, you could write an equally damning list about why people should stop the tories getting in again. That's the why this election is pretty miserable.

What do you think it shows us about BJ? That he's desparate for cash? That he's a compulsive thief? That he considers everything to be rightly his? That he thought that this would destroy the evidence against him? To me this was just a flustered man being ambushed and not thinking about what he was doing. I might do something similar without thinking and look stupid if, for example, I suddenly bumped into a girl I fancied and had to say something clever/witty without looking like a tit.

He may be that, but this is just ambushing with a specific case and that situation tells us nothing. Of course he blustered, of course he didn't want to get dragged into getting things wrong about a situation he had no details about and preferred to stick to the bigger, more vague picture that he deals with. It was cheap journalism and he was being pushed for comment that he wasn't in a position to give. He had to think quickly to deal with something that he knew would look terrible if he said the wrong thing and in being pre-occupied, he unthinkingly put the phone in his pocket. I really don't see that he was trying to steal it. The whole thing is an absolute non-story and didn't tell us anything about Johnson, good or bad. The look of panic was because he realised that it was actually the other guys phone that he'd put in his pocket and how that must have looked. Boris Johnson is a narcissist, someone who is playing games with politics that will have no effect on his own personal wealth and wellbeing. He cares only about himself and clearly has no interest in improving Britain, improving the lives of the British people, he doesn't really care about Brexit, he doesn't care about business or about any of the things important to the people voting for him. He cares about winning the game he's been playing all his life, but even if he doesn't he'll still be able to just shrug and move onto the next game. Even most of the people who back him on here can think of almost nothing positive to say about him. But that interview could have happened to any leader if they were ambushed like that.

I really dislike this fuss around the boy on the floor. Whatever my opinion of Boris, I'm not going to think worse of him just because he got ambushed with a very specific case that he is obviously not going to able to comment on. It's not as if we're going to judge Jeremy Corbyn because a reporter ran up to him with photos of happy smiling patients who just had successful treatment and are satisfied with their time in hospital. Whatever the truth or set up in the picture, it was used as a cheap gimmick and tells us nothing about anything.

But low tax and individual wealth creation are the basic staples of Tory policy and always have been. Is that a change in priority for you at a different time of life?

Perhaps it's just how they come across, but I would say that's the intend I understand when I read them. I have no idea if that's down to you or me.

Thanks. These are kind of party baseline fundamentals, yeah, I know that's tautology. That would make me imagine that you are pretty much a "career" Conservative voter. Do you think there are any circumstances under which you would ever vote Labour or Liberal?

There's a lot more in this post worth reading, thank you. The last was just another repeated hatchet job on labour. I have no vote and political discussion on the internet rarely changes anyone's opinion, but I suspect telling people what's worth voting for will gain more respect and make people reconsider more than constantly telling them how stupid they are because they don't have the same viewpoint.

I would just like to hear what's good about the Conservatives from someone who has that perspective. My facebook feed is full of left wing people saying why people should vote labour, I'm done with that and I see perfectly well why they probably shouldn't. However, people like the poster above have literally gone on for pages and pages warning us of the evils of labour, yet when challenged has nothing good at all to say about the conservatives, yet has spent almost no time warning about the evils of them. With close to 45% of the popular vote, they clearly have strengths, why are they rarely getting an airing on this thread? For example, the policy voting link above made it clear immigration and crime were a strength and were popular policies. I can't remember a conservative supporter waxing about the strengths in this area, but sooooo much moaning about Corbyn.

This is pretty much the opposite of what I asked about. I've seen you and batman post page after page of anti labour stuff, so I've understood you don't like them. However you both make it clear you are choosing to vote conservative, so I would love to hear what you like about them at the moment. I don't see one good thing you've said about them, but it would be an interesting perspective. We'll take"I don't like labour" as read, so just say what makes the conservatives worth voting for.

What would you say it is that most makes you want to vote Conservative? Most of your posts seem to be just trying to put down opposition supporters. It would be good to see a few positive posts.

That is interesting and bears out what many have said, that people have so much trouble getting over the image of Corbyn that it no longer matters what labour are actually standing for. The world would be a different place if we voted purely on policies, but it's not going to happen. Politics is basically a game and BJ is better at it than Corbyn, partly because he treats it more like a game too and comes at it with a clear game-plan. I think even if Johnson announced that, yes, he probably will sell off the NHS, but it'll probably be alright, they would still easily be the largest party. It's like Trump, the core followers are way too devoted for negatives to really pull him down.

I know nothing about the world of finance and currency, genuinely, but are those tiny time frames and minute degrees the usual frame for measuring the current situation?

Is it? Pretty much all of our goals have been scored by one player who has a history of missing large parts of the season through injury. What's the plan if that happens again, as we must imagine there's a decent chance.

I only saw the first half and we were well on top and playing nicely. Then I caught the last five minutes and we seemed to be playing desparately defensively instead. Did we stop attacking after our goal or after their first?

No chance they'll win too many seats, but I think that's mainly a Corbyn personality thing. I wouldn't vote for them until they change. Which policies do you think are "extremist Marxist" though?

Equal on goals with Kane, but has played far fewer minutes.

This first part is the main point. Corbyn's public image, whether rightly or wrongly, is a disaster. Labour could now put out an amazing manifesto with great ideas, well worked through that would clearly benefit the nation and could be delivered, but the people would still not vote for them in significant numbers, because "not Corbyn and his labour" has become a central choice for many people. It could be that this is just the result of successful propaganda campaign by the right, but it's worked if it was. Labour will not win the masses over until it's perceived to be a new version of the party. The British people are, at heart, mostly centre right, so the left will always suffer more from a bad image than the right.

I think Corbyn would **** up government and make a mess of things through misguided ideals and desire to do the right thing, ignoring all common sense that stands in the way and he'd make a lasting mess of the country. I think Johnson will **** up the country because he genuinely doesn't really care what happens to people. He just wants to be a famous career politician and the whole thing has been a game to him since he was old enough to talk. He takes your lives as seriously as you take the lives of bystanders in a video game. What a ****ing choice. I don't see how any of you are such cheerleaders for either.

Sounds a lot like one of those players who contributes more than people immediately realise.

That's such a strange way of looking at things. They've all made plenty of errors of judgement. They know it and we know it. Failing to recognise your mistakes is just like saying you'll make them again. Saying something was wrong is far better. Your comment encapsulates so much that is wrong in politics. The idea that arrogance and blindly ploughing along with bad ideas shows some kind of strength, whereas noting good and bad results is somehow weak.

One point off relegation, four points off top half. There's certainly a lot to play for.