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What alternatives do people imagine being on any future referendum? Leave or Remain again? The problem there is that many people want leave, but not if it means no deal or the wrong deal, including Boris. So that doesn't really work as leave doesn't just mean leave. We've already discovered just how divided the leave side are on this issue. Leave with a deal leave with no deal remain? That doesn't work either, because the biggest single group would be remain, despite maybe over half wanting to leave altogether. After that it just starts to become problematically complicated with preferred and second choices or conditions. What would you want the alternatives to be?

Well, it helps Trump that he controls the senate and the supreme court. Johnson has just discovered why that's important.

Well, it helps Trump that he controls the senate and the supreme court. Johnson has just discovered why that's important.

Does that mean you dislike Ron Davies, Mick Channon and Bobby Stokes, who all joined Portsmouth after becoming Saints heroes?

Meh, can't see anything on this thread that I can't imagine from the worst of our fans.

Should be pointed out as well that while electricity in Norway, the world's leader in electric cars, comes largely from hydro and other renewable sources, most electricity in the UK comes from fossil fuels and nuclear, so there's nothing especially environmentally friendly about getting your power that way for British people.

Longer range e-cars are becoming more normal and they are going to become a lot more affordable. I decoded to sell mine at that point because I know that in a year I wouldn't be able to give it away. People are queuing up here to get the new generation of electric cars. Hybrids don't seem to have much of a market. The problem with the second hand electric market is that the batteries have a lifespan and they are going to be very expensive to replace. I think diesel still has a few more years left in it and you can now pick up a very good spec, top range diesel car for hardly anything. The running costs of my diesel are far higher than my e-car was, but as I made thousands on the swap, it makes economic sense for a few years while long range e-cars become more standard.

Closer to what happened is is surely that Boris said this price was unacceptable. He then insisted that he was entitled to the beer, because that's the drink agreed upon. The barman says that's fine, but this is the price that they have. Hello stays open to Boris coming up with another way to pay. Boris says it'll all be worked out but how he's paying is a big secret. It becomes clear that Boris is about to walk away with the dregs of everyone else's pint, he's prepared to do that rather than accept the price or come up with an alternative. Boris blames the pub.

I've gone against the trend a bit recently. I have driven an electric car, two actually, for the last four years, an e-Golf and an E-Up. They are nice cars and here in Norway the upsides have been that we don't pay on the toll roads, don't pay road tax and can drive in bus lanes, as well as there being free parking spaces all over the city, with charging points attached (which you do pay for). However, the range began to become a problem. The E-Up, although it said 145km when fully charged, was more likely to deliver about 80-90km, the e-Golf around 120km. Express charging machines could refill them in about 25 minutes, semi-express in about 2-3 hours and normal plug sockets about 6 hours. This meant that my life was eventually being partially controlled by my car and having to plan around what it could do. It takes loads of the fun out of driving if you are having to take range constantly into account and plan around sitting in a car park at a specific place to recharge for half an hour, if you don't have to queue for the charger. Obviously using the heating cuts the range by quite a bit. When I decided to sell it, I discovered how bad the market was for used e-cars and was lucky I found someone willing to pay a fair price. My new car is a diesel, which gave me a lot of car for a very low price, it cost far less than I sold my e-car for. It's helped me to enjoy driving again at last. I'm sure diesel will become harder and harder to sustain and taxed more and more heavily, but hopefully when it's time to look at e-cars again, they will have sorted out decent range for a sensible price. About half of the cars sold here are electric now, but a lot of families have one electric and one bigger petrol or diesel car for using when they go out of the city.

You all right, hun?

Pelle and Mane never scored 15 league goals in a season for us. J-Rod managed it once in five seasons, without ever even coming close the other seasons. Beattie managed it once in seven seasons. Lambert did it once in two PL seasons. Twp of those just scraped another if you include cups. We do lack good, reliable strikers though, we also over estimate how good our strikers were in the past.

You think that he has an as yet unrevealed solution to the hard border/backstop discussion that he is going to bring out at the last minute? I can see no clear reason for this at all and not openly putting forward his solution would be counter productive. It appears more likely that he has nothing. I get the impression that his determination to leave quickly without having solved any of the problems is more to do with his own determination to have delivered Brexit for his own legacy. If he really cared about how brexit turned out, he would take the time to find solutions rather than just posturing. Brexit is his "wall" and he has to make it happen or lose face, whether it's for the best or not.

I honestly am not sure if you're being serious or joking with me. The country being hit hard economically by leaving the EU is accepted by both sides. That impact being much bigger with no deal is also accepted by both sides. There is also little doubt that this will be felt most keenly by the"ordinary people". Trade will contract, as the marketplace becomes far more difficult and costly. Big and small businesses will feel this. When small businesses get badly hit by a poorer economy, they are in danger of having to close. Larger businesses will have to close branches or let some staff go, just like they have in the past. The rich and middle class will not be the largest group taking on this impact. Even brexit supporters generally agree this is the situation, hence referring to wartime and preparing for hardship. We've already seen manufacturing industry shying away from opening factories and investing in the UK, because of the dangers. That's lower wage jobs suffering already. I've already said that I think that brexit should go ahead, but it worries me that so many of the supporters are so unaware of what leaving with no deal actually means.

I'm no Corbyn fan, but do you have some image of Boris Johnson as some brave hero, fighting fearlessly for the country? Because I don't get the impression that's really what he's about. Remember this is the guy that closed parliament rather than stand up and face his opposition. It's not a great sign of courage...

Actually, unless I've been misreading the information, that group of people will in fact be hurt the most by leaving with no deal. The fact that they've been misled about that is pretty clear to see, including in your comment there. That group would be better off if the original withdrawal agreement went through though, but Boris was one of many who stopped brexit happening on time by blocking the agreement. Because apparently "brexit means brexit" isn't always as straight forward as that, including for the leave supporters.

That's one of the most ridiculous things I've read on here. From what I've heard, Beattie was a bit of a c*nt, still happy he was on our team though. I'm glad we had Lallana too, come to that.

But the people voted for Brexit, they didn't vote for a good or bad deal, they just want out and they are being stopped by politicians, that's what I keep hearing. That was a way out. It got blocked because sometimes the Brexit option is unpalatable. Why is it okay to decide that it's okay to block the deal because it's a bad way to Brexit, but not okay to block no deal for the same reason? It seems like the Brexit supporters falter between "leave by any way pøossible, no matter the cost, we'll manage" and "No, don't leave that way, it's too big a cost and we can't manage it" If it's a case of "Just do it". They should accept the deal and just make it happen. like the majority voted for.

This is the point. He may moan on and talk about what he would have done, but it genuinely is our problem that test batsmen aren't often enough prepared to grind out an innings. Ben Stokes is a great player, but imagine what he could do with someone like Boycott at the other end just refusing to get out. He doesn't deserve a knighthood for giving his opinions during cricket matches though.

I actually like Boycott as a commentator. He is an expert on defensive batting, constructively criticising a team for not being able to bat defensively. I don't think being a good commentator should earn a knighthood though. If he had become a great coach or manager, I would back it, but not just giving it to him for successfully becoming part of the furniture on TMS. His big achievement was his batting. He was never choose for an honour for that and it was ages ago. Strauss, on the other hand, was a great captain and has gone on to play a big role in cricket and charity.

Would have already happened if all the Tories and other brexiters including Boris had got behind the withdrawal deal from the start. Why didn't he? Why didn't they? Brexit would be done. He didn't believe in Brexit whatever the cost then, he blocked brexit twice.

I would vote libdem if I had a vote, despite having never voted that way before. However, I think they will still suffer the same problem they always have. Vote percentage in the general population means nothing in a GE. That's why UKIP won f all despite all of their support. The libdems will be challenging strongly all over the country and take a lot of second places, but they won't quite be the biggest party in many constituencies, so it'll mean nothing at all.

I wonder if any player has ever had such a mark up, based on such little reason, in so short a time? 750000 is about what we paid. He had 25 games and scored 9 goals, nothing outstanding apart from one really nice one. Then off again for ten times the price! They really had too much money in those days. I think the whole valuation nonsense really put too much pressure on him too and it was years until he really found his way again, at Bolton.

But Brexit isn't being blocked, Brexit with no deal is being blocked. Even Boris says no deal would be a failure. Agreeing to something happening isn't the same as agreeing to anything that is suggested to make it happen. I would agree to improve roads near where I live. I wouldn't accept it if they banned everything but electric cars to make it happen.

Haha, I was waiting for that!

Gary Rowett