Viking Warrior

The. Goal but not the headed own goal .

Has the embargo been extended, or are the journo's participating in copious amounts of mulled wine?

Barry Sanchez I think the positive aspect of this story , is that it shows how times have changed since 1952. and for the better I might add But then other countries are going back to the Dark ages such as Uganda and their new Anti Gay laws.

Blakey Some of the replies in this thread are downright worrying, I knew there were a few nutters on this forum but can't believe there's some that can try to defend/deny proven paedophiles. your post can be taken two ways, Just because someone has been charged dosent necessary mean they are guilty. We now live in a society where people can make alsorts of allegations against people decades ago. but let the courts decided and those who have been charged prove or disprove the allegations How can you put a charge to a celebrity that either in 1963 or 1964 you sexually assorted XYZ . Im not going to mock the seriousness of this case but its like spread betting covering all your options, As for the Police i think they are making up for errors in the past re the likes of Saville and the recent events in Rochdale Its is not about defending people its about letting the courts of the land decide. nothing more and nothing less

Bearsy . Bakiery will be out if they sell hot sausage rolls . Normally pork as it's a cheaper meat . Assuming sausage rolls actually contain meat

9-3 your post would be more worthwhile if it had substance, but it doesnt. who would you have played in their places ? given the injuries we have had of late, I will not get on the backs of players not my style but I was not happy with some of our defensive frailities yesterday Would Hoovield have scored an og if gazza had been more assertive or was it just an unluck rebound that went in, should our right sided players have closed down the spuds player sooner. Their third goal was the result of a luck rebound against one of our players that fell niceley for adebyola , I thought when we equalised we would go on to win , but defensively we seemed to capitulate much to easily. When is Boruc due back ? or even Kelvin , he was sat on the bench yesterday. what is actually wrong with him?

Saintsteve calm down . It's not the first time there has been a semi fit player on the bench . I was suprised yoshida didn't come on . I think if fox had been better JWP would have gone to midfield and not left back . I'm sad we lost but I am not to worried about the recent run of results of late . We were poor at times arsenal have been having a poor run as well .

Holepuncture Quite clearly you only focus on the narrow aspects of this case. There are many many shop and resturant owners who are Muslim and sell alcohol. This said of the equation is not mentioned. Is it okay for Muslim males to sell and drink alcohol and therefore the rule only applies to woman According to the Quran it is only wine that is forbidden if the extract from above is correct Allah (swt) and the Prophet Muhammad (saw) only referred to “wine” not any other forms of alcohol.” So beer, whisky or any form of drugs is allowed because Allah only prohibited wine? An opinion absent of evidence. What I think is potentially sad is that, 1. there could be specific check outs created for not Pork/ alcohol sales and then the other groups who will want the same for what ever foodstuffs secondly there is a great danger that some idiots will avoid going to checkouts where they have someone who is wearing a hijab behind the till. Pap , leave transexuals out of the equation if thats what your intimating

I think the M&S story has got out of hand , Common sense needs to prevail. this is an interesting article and nothing to do with the Dail Mail Bengali restaurateurs – can selling alcohol be justified? Posted by 5 Pillarz As a British born Bangladeshi, writes Dilly Hussain, it has always bugged me how the Bengali community has casually accepted and even perceives as “permissible” the selling and profiting from alcohol in restaurants. I have close family and friends who own restaurants that sell alcohol, some of them have beards, “pray five times” and consider themselves as “practising”. But how can Muslim restaurateurs justify the selling and consumption of alcohol in their premises? Britain’s love of all things “spicy” goes far as back to the Crusades, before Europeans even knew that India existed. By 1612, English merchants enjoyed their first meal in Surat, India. The “spice” of Indian cuisine came from black pepper, cardamom and cumin. It was the Portuguese in 1501 who first introduced “chilli powder” in Europe, which is the hallmark of Indian cuisine today. When Bangladeshis came over to Britain as economic migrants after World War Two, they gradually took over a trade which hadn’t really established itself but definitely lifted off once they got their hands on it – curry houses. There are more than 10,500 Indian restaurants in Britain, over 90% are owned by Bengali Muslims and 95% of those restaurants are licensed to sell and consume alcohol in their premises. Selling and consumption of alcohol The scriptural evidences from the Qur’an and Sunnah are ample in regards to the prohibition of alcohol. All schools of thought have a consensus on this matter and no difference of opinion exists. However, I still feel obliged to quote just two of the most authentic (among many) references to the Islamic prohibition of alcohol: “They ask you (O Muhammad) concerning alcoholic drinks and gambling. Say: In them is a great sin.” (Surah Al-Baqarah 2:219) It was narrated by Anas ibn Malik (ra) that Prophet Muhammad (saw) said: “Cursed are ten people in connection with wine (all alcoholic drinks): the wine-presser, the one who has it pressed, the one who drinks it, the one who conveys it, the one to whom it is conveyed, the one who serves it, the one who sells it, the one who benefits from the price paid for it, the one who buys it, and the one for whom it is bought.” (Al-Tirmidhi no.2776) As clearly stated in the hadith above, Islam does not only consider the consumer of alcohol as sinful, but the one who sells and makes profit from it also. A common justification that I’ve heard Bengali restaurant owners use is that its “permissible to sell it to non-Muslims” – does that mean Muslims can sell drugs as long as its to non-Muslims? When I asked these restaurateurs for evidences to prove their “manufactured” opinions, they looked at me with red faces and in utter confusion. Let’s say for arguments sake that selling alcohol to non-Muslims was permissible, what about the thousands of pounds of profit they make from selling it? How come the same restaurateurs say that selling pork is haraam? There seemed to be a clear double-standard of “picking and choosing” of what’s halal and haraam in Islam. Then there’s the issue of allowing customers to drink inside the premises, but I guess that’s hardly an “issue” if all the above are “permissible”. I’ve asked many Bengali restaurateurs if they’d allow someone to drink in their homes, they looked at me baffled that I even asked that. Then I asked – what is the difference between your home and your business? Are both not your properties? Again, the confused look usually followed. Common justifications I couldn’t get any “official comments” for this feature because everyone I interviewed made me promise not to mention their names, I will uphold that as a Muslim. However, I will provide the answers I got from restaurateurs about selling alcohol, making profits from it and allowing its consumption on their premises. 1. “I know its haraam, and I pray to Allah for forgiveness. I want to stop selling alcohol but I’m too sucked in. Insh’Allah I will pack it in soon.” This is the most honest answer I got, but “I’m too sucked in” usually means that business is doing well! 2. “Allah (swt) and the Prophet Muhammad (saw) only referred to “wine” not any other forms of alcohol.” So beer, whisky or any form of drugs is allowed because Allah only prohibited wine? An opinion absent of evidence. 3. “We can’t survive without selling alcohol. People will not come to our restaurant.” Invest in another business which doesn’t involve alcohol, like grill houses and kebab shops. 4. “Insh’Allah I will go Hajj and ask Allah for forgiveness.” How can you guarantee how long you’re going to live for? Funding a pilgrimage with haraam money is another discussion all together. 5. “If you don’t like this country go back to Bangladesh! Why do you dress and live like a westerner?” This is the most defensive of all the answers usually said to me in anger. I asked a national organization called “Guild of Bangladeshi Restaurateurs” which consists of nearly 3000 Bengali restaurant owners for a comment on selling alcohol, they chose not to. Funding mosques The most alarming element of this whole subject, is that many of these restaurateurs have a close involvement in mosque committees. In my own hometown of Bedford, the secretary of the main “Bengali mosque” owns a restaurant that sells alcohol. I know that every Bengali that reads this article, knows of a alcohol selling restaurateur involved in a mosque, either as a committee member, trustee, treasurer, secretary or chairman. I know of gatherings that are held to discuss mosque issues in restaurants. The only reason I can see that our mosques allow such people to be a part of their committees is financial and political. The financial contributions many restaurateurs give to mosques is substantial, and many perceive this as a “expiation of their sins”. The lucrative revenue of Indian cuisines also assist mosques when they want extensions to their buildings. With their close ties with politicians who dine at their restaurants they are also utilized to “sweeten” those who can “pull the strings.” I will end on this note, if Muslims want to sell alcohol in their restaurants (or off licenses) then accept that its a bad deed. Don’t make excuses to justify something that has clearly been prohibited by Allah (swt) and His Messenger (saw). The same goes to our rulers in the Muslim world who allow it under the justification of “tourism revenue” which will strengthens their economies. Dilly Hussain interviewed over 30 Bengali restaurateurs and they all requested to remain anonymous

tell me what is facepalming.

9-3 . Have some respect for our players . They came in for injured players . Get behind them instead of moaning. . Are you the new alpine ?

Maybe the OP had another phone case and carefully peeled the barcode off that one and placed it close to the original price sticker in order to get an apology and compensation . It would not be the first time this ploy has been used. If it was that scratched I would have taken in back straight away . That cover looks as if it is well used and if so why would you still have the barcode stickers on it ?

Ludwig I can assure you I did not make up that stuff re the diversity story . It is totally true . The two Sues job share chief executives did exactly that . I could reveal more about other issues they undertook which destroyed a previously happy working environment till they arrived on the scene. Ps I will accept your apology if your bold enough to apologise .

I think they are both being cocks . Whatever is going on should be in private. Is it possible the manager is playing the victim role a bit too much trying to get the fans onside . How often do we see this what. Ever the work environment

I would send it back it's well scratched .

Discussing the ‘Golliwog’ image on Robertson’s jam is “inherently racist” as the term is so offensive, a judge ruled. Lord Justice Floyd, sitting in the Court of Appeal, said that saying the term in front of a black person, whatever the context, was “offensive", as he upheld a ruling that chef who discussed the image was guilty of racial harassment. Mark McAleese, a chef at London School of Economics, used the term while he discussed food labelling in the presence of his black colleague Denise Lindsay. An employment tribunal found him guilty of harassment and three judges at the Court of Appeal upheld the finding. Lord Justice Floyd said: “His failure to be truthful about the fact that he had used the term at all, coupled with his own subjective view that any use of the term in the presence of a black person would be offensive, formed an adequate evidential basis for the tribunal's finding that the words had been used by him on the grounds of race." Mr McAleese had swiftly apologised to his co-worker after the January 2009 incident and had not intended to violate Miss Lindsay's dignity or to "create an intimidating, hostile, degrading or offensive environment for her Miss Lindsay lodged a formal grievance five months later. Mr McAleese's account was that he and Miss Lindsay had their backs turned to eachother as they innocently discussed food and packaging. After chatting about Walker's crisps, he said the conversation turned to Robertson's jam and the fact that its label had changed. Daniel Matovu, for Miss Lindsay, earlier told the court: "White people don't get called golliwogs. The word is an overtly racial comment. ”Golliwog cannot be interpreted in any other way. What the authorities make clear is that, when something is inherently discriminatory and clearly has racial overtones, there is no further debate.” And Lord Justice Floyd agreed that the word 'golliwog' was "obviously racist and offensive" if used in the presence of a black person. The real issue in the case, he said, was "why did Mr McAleese say what he did? Was it because he knew he had used the word on the grounds of her race, but dressed it up as innocent chat? Or was it for some other reason?" Mr McAleese recognised that the term would be 'down right offensive' if aimed at a black person and the judge said he had 'not been truthful' in repeatedly denying, including before the tribunal, that he had said the word. Lord Justice Floyd, sitting with Lords Justice Moore-Bick and Christopher Clarke, upheld the tribunal's finding that the 'the most likely explanation was that Mr McAleese had used the word because of Miss Lindsay's race'. But the Court of Appeal’s decision may give little comfort to Miss Lindsay who was told she had lodged her complaint too late and that it would not be 'just and equitable' to allow her to continue with her compensation claim against the LSE. Shaen Catherwood, for LSE, insisted that Mr McAleese's use of the word - spoken quietly and quickly - did not come anywhere close to racial harassment. "I say it is unsatisfactory that somebody should be labelled with a finding of harassment on racial grounds when the actual context in which the word was used was innocent and inoffensive," he told the court. The Appeal Court judges dismissed Miss Lindsay's challenge to the dismissal of her case on grounds of delay. Her other claims of race discrimination had earlier been rejected by the tribunal, although she still has a victimisation claim against the LSE extant.

What has also not be mentioned is that all councillors are to have this diversity training not just get .

I just realised that it was a Tory councillor but the labour lot are so squeaky clean and politically correct they would never make such comments . This thread is not what this woman said but more about her political leanings

Backtootim yes the word is still used and it's okay to use in the us . But the extreme PC still sow the seeds of doubt re certain I phrases or words we innocently use . The problem with political correctness is that it is purely subjective. What I take offence to, might not necessarily offend somebody else. Therefore, how do we realistically define what is politically correct or incorrect? Whilst I believe that people should be aware of different cultures, societies and health issues, we need to refuse to conform to the exaggerated speech codes that are imposed upon us in order to stop it. If political correctness is allowed to perpetuate, it will curb our right to free speech. DAISY PHELAN, English Language undergraduate, University of Chester, UK

I believe the boards should be referred to chalkboards now . I believe that some local authorities thought the use of the word black board gave negative connotations against ethnic communities . Some years ago John Denham got chastised for using the words nitty gritty From some of the PC brigade because it had a link to slavery .

The point I was making is you cannot refer to them as blackboards . I will dig out the PC advice on these . But a memorandum did go out a couple of years ago about using that terminology . Most modern schools have wipe boards or these electronic boards . So sorry guys for not being concise re black boards

Diversity training can be a helpful tool and equally it cab be very divisive . When I was working for a health authority in London I was told that diversity training was to take place immediately by the two job share chief exec who had been parachuted in from Lambeth . Being the training officer I said fine but the told me who to use and it was mandatory for every member of staff . Their trainers started each session by saying that every white person in the room was racist and they were here to change white attitudes . This was to a multicultural workforce who got on well with each other . Those that were most offended were non white colleagues many were in tears and when they told the trainers they were wrong one of the trainers said they were wrongit was because you had been indoctrinated by white ideologies . That training only last three sessions but it showed how out of touch the job share ce's were. Before that these two women went round the organisation with me to make sure no males had pinup girls pictures . Apart from the odd football team and pictures of family no male had any such pictures meanwhile there were a number of women who had pictures of the chippendales up and a few penis shaped paper weights on their desks . Back to the Golliwog post many will think it is offensive others will remember it as a logo for Robinson s jams . Don't forget we cannot have black boards any more but it's okay to have white boards . Common sense needs to prevail but too many folk are to quick to jump on the bandwagon notably the politically correct . I will speak about transgender in another post following a discussion at work yesterday.

Great book . While you might get some of the info on google you will not get it all and a lot of stuff has come from those players who are still alive . Shame on you sotonjoe

spot on verbal but some of the media have no morals or common decency

Whelk like you I want to see news I can trust . The BBC should adopt a stance that respects the relatives in such cases . Not one of promoting extremist behaviour . This is for all high profile cases . The news team and the makers of panarama are guilty of trying to create a story to promote their already inflated ego's Are we the public so stupid to believe the comments they had exclusive access to to these al Quieda extremist groups . Not in my case . Al Quieda all gave them access so they could promote their murdering ideology . Still BBC did announce that a murdering scum from Southsea has been killed in Syria fighting for al Quieda linked extremist group . More interesting the BBC made no mention of the trial or the panorama programme on either their bulletins or text pages so far this morning . I hope the powers to be did this because they realise they were being disrespectful to the rigby family showing pictures of the blood stained murdering scum . Another awful story that has not hit the main headlines is the story about 4 other scum who broke into to the Clutha bar following the helicopter crash . Still as you say the BBC and others only report the news that suits their ideology