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Saw this tonight at a preview. Its a kind of sunset boulevard type silent film about the advent of talking pictures, set in the depression era. Very good film, I recommend it highly.

Pot, meet Kettle.

Incidentally LetsB, I dont think you need to paraphrase bastards, its not a swear filter meanie.

btf doesnt have time for such mundane tasks. She's having to sit by her front room window and monitor snowfall, all thanks to you.

Milibean isnt amusing though, he's just a prat.

No, but he is certainly the most amusing, which is more important than oratory. People remember what he says because of it.

Not according to MLG he's not

I disagree. The tories and lib dems are two separate parties, with fundamentally different opinions regarding europe. The fact that they are governing in coalition doesnt mean they suddenly agree with each other on every aspect of policy, does it? Cameron obviously has the final say as leader of the party holding far more seats.

Labour are keeping their powder dry. Theres no point making David the sacrificial lamb to the slaughter of the next election, once Ed has lost that one David will take over, never fear. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the Labour hierarchy dont believe they can win the next election. If something happens to alter that, Ed will be out of the revolving door with his brother coming in the other way quicker than you can say "night of the long knives".

Thats a decent shout. Wouldnt amaze me at all.

On that note, how do you put out a burning Kotex? .......throw it on the floor and tampon it

tbh Sergei, I always thought the euro was a terrible idea for reasons that are all too clear now. If the eurozone initiators had actually stuck to their principles when it started, and not allowed Greece, Portugal, and (massively) Italy into it in the first place it would have stood a chance of imposing fiscal realism on countries that just needed a small dose of it. As it was, they bent their own rules and fudged the whole thing right from the start just to get as many countries into the project as they could. I honestly dont understand why the Germans stood for it, they must have been aware that the Greeks standard position is rack up the debts and then default, just as they cant have failed to realise that Italy simply added a few zeros to the Lire every decade or so. Whatever the reason, they shouldn't bleat about it now, it was Germany and France that drove the entire project. We made it pretty clear that our flirtation with the ERM was likely to be our final experiment with it, and it annoys the hell out of me when they whinge about us being "part in and part out" of europe.

Shirley you cant be serious?

On reflection, is there any way we can blame Bart?

Cortese out.

I think the point angelman was making is that we import more from europe than we export to it, and that we are one of the largest net contributors to the european budget. It follows that all the scaremongering about europe not wishing to trade with us because that nasty david cameron used the veto in the british national interest is just hot air. They get more from us than we get from them.

Just saw the football league programme. Christ almighty, I know everyone on here was saying how poor Bart was but I still wasnt expecting that fiasco. If Kelv is out for any length of time we need another backup keeper, and quickly, january's priorities have changed after today.

Thats the nub of it. I didnt see the game though, so I'm assuming he was terrible today as everybody seems to have agreed, will see it on saints player later. Its annoying because he did look like a genuine find when we first signed him all those years ago, until he broke his finger he looked like a potential first choice keeper. Doddsys right, whats the answer? If a replacement keeper is going to be good enough to stand in occasionally for Kelvin, will he really want to sit on the bench or play in the reserves week in and week out? Something of a conundrum, methinks. NA obviously rates him up to a point and he's a former keeper.

Count yourselves lucky, ive just had to spend most of the day in that sh*thole. (On a ship, not in a brothel.)

I've usually found that as well, but my last visit to Cherbourg put me off somewhat. Ran into some utter c*nts, so much so that I havent been back since. Never been to Germany, so cant really compare.

Good post, but I slightly disagree with the point about us getting "impacted badly". Ultimately, if we had signed up to the euro and therefore been at the big table Blair was so desperate to sit at, we would be right in the shlt with the rest of them by now. Thatcher and Major were able to negotiate good deals for the UK precisely because we were outside the federal european mainstream, not in spite of it. As it stands, we are still more in control of our own economy than anybody in the eurozone; Greece, Ireland, Portugal etc are basically doing what Germany and France are telling them to. They have no choice, at least until the euro in its current form collapses. We at least have the luxury of voting for the people that determine our economic policy. I agree that when the euro goes it will affect us, but not as badly as if we had to revert to another currency in the middle of a global economic meltdown.

Yes, I noticed that as well. Was an interesting listen. Also, David Owen's comments on Today were spot-on. I'm not so sure about this UK referendum happening; what exactly would it be supposed to achieve? We've already as good as said we wont be joining the euro, and all this nonsense about having a say at the centre of europe......well, it makes no difference whether or not we're one voice in 27, does it? We all know that when the big decisions are taken it will be germany that decides them. Cameron did the right thing last night, and is now a convenient scapegoat for the french and germans for when the euro goes down the pan. They have already tacitly accepted that its a dead duck the second they started referring to greece leaving it, that prospect had never been countenanced previously ("there is no exit mechanism......") So what are they going to do? Stop trading with us? The country they refer to as "treasure island"? They make far more out of us than we make out of them, and just take a look at the table of net contributors to the EU budget, we're up there in 3rd or 4th (or were last time I looked.) Going to kick us out from spite? I think not.

Would you rather that Blair had got his way and bounced us into the fiasco that is the euro, just so he could kiss the arses of Sarkozy, Berlusconi and Merkel? At least the eurosceptics in the British tory party are British MP's, elected by the British public. They do actually represent somebody in Britain.