shurlock

I’m not saying you did. You’ve provided a measure e.g. specifity or practicality of objective by which judge the validity of public demonstrations; by extension, you can apply it to a wide swathe of cases. Anxieties about the islamisation of western society hardly fit your criteria. That’s why I said you were unlikely to find FLA marches valid. I won’t go into the reasons why you didn’t call out the FLA marches as a pointless waste of time when posters on here were discussing their own participation in them this time last year. That’s neither here nor there. The Spiked article dismissed the Iraq War marches as a waste of time and symptomatic of the same narcissism that supposedly coursed through the anti-Trump rallies. I guess you’d disagree with that assessment not least as you think the anti-Vietnam demonstrations weren’t a waste of time and the Iraq demos had a similar objective.

So on your measure the antiwar (Iraq) and Brexit/peoples vote marches were valid whereas the football lads alliance marches aren’t?

Would appear to imply that you think public demonstrations and marches are a waste of time -and worse an act of self-indulgence?

As a non-US citizen, what do you suggest he or she does?

Having thought for years that preseason was meaningless, am increasingly of the view that it is instructive. Consider the trip to China: are people saying that the mistakes Stephens and Hoedt have made are going to disappear by the time the new season rolls around?

Larry- do you want me to call 999 for you and have the emergency services come pick you up? Happy to help.

Is that when we thought playing pub sides from Scandinavia was a good idea?

Where do you find this stuff? You seem very curious about that whole scene.

Actually that's nonsense. If you go back and watch the Saint Etienne game, we were very poor first half (I actually suggested selling VVD to get some attacking talent). Things changed when both teams made loads of changes second half and we scored with nearly every shot during a small purple patch. But that's it. Sevilla was a borefest where we created little and Jack Stephens scored from a lucky set piece. And who can forget Augsburg.

Unlucky. Good buildup.

So easy.

Easy to turn or 'cook' the powder into a liquid. Fentanyl solution is an alternative.

Don't get me wrong: many people understand it's meaning. I was referring specifically to the JCLs (see my original post)

I didn't get very far with hypo as he fell at the first hurdle, so let's try again. Having asked for actual criticism of the Spiked article, I pointed out to hypo that claiming the reaction to Trump was more about bad manners than substance was wrong. The implication, of course, is that the middle class henrys and emilys protesting yesterday and today are all too easily triggered hypocrites, more interested in signalling their virtue. I gave a concrete example of where Trump and Obama differed on substance i.e. the refugee ceiling. Nowt from Hypo whether this was more about substance or bad manners. Perhaps you have an answer pal? FWIW I'm no fan of Obama. He was a massive disappointment who increasingly disappeared down a rabbit hole of unprincipled triangulations and compromises, though I also realise his chances of achieving much were reduced after the 2010 midterm elections when the Republicans won control of the House of Representatives and the loony Tea Party fringe and birther movement took control of the Republican Party. That said, much of Brendan O'Neills is shallow nonsense, lapped up by morons who think O'Neills left wing credentials are some kind of trump card in this debate. I couldnt care less about ONeill's creds - he is just a sloppy and derivative thinker. So with bombing, you might want to think about the geopolitical clusterf**k Obama inherited as a result of the botched invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and explain what the alternative policy was (something that 'anti-imperialists' like O'Neill who live on cloud cuckooland don't take seriously; but presumably you do). Or with immigration, you might want think how changes in the definition of deportations inflated raw numbers (see analysis by the LA Times). You might even answer my original question on refugee policy. Or the difference between Obama and Trump towards the children of illegal immigrants already living in the US. Alternatively you might want discuss issues such as the Trump's gutting of Obamacare that will leave millions of poor people without health insurance that have motivated opposition to Trump but are completely ignored by O'Neill. I could go on and on and on but I have better things to engage with the argument of a third-rate thinker who's clearly found a lucrative niche in the market as the enemy's enemy. Finally it's worth pointing out the distinction between manners and substance -as if the former is all hot air- is illusory I have no idea whether Spiked is plain thick or disingenuous; but anyone with even a schoolboy grasp of history knows how the denigration or scapegoating of others can lead to a hardening of attitudes which has very real-world consequences.

Just saying, whenever I've heard it, I don't think earnest little scouser in shades (Ian Broudie), schooled in Echo and the Bunnymen and all that other 80s bittersweet Merseysound.

Agree Charlie.

See it’s indoors...

Jesse Lingard or as Lord D calls him jlingz.

Based on your experience, how thick is pig****?

File under speculating then.

Doubt that’s how lord d’s bandwagon brigade interpret or sing it

The joint communiqué was paper thin but maybe that’s preferable to the detailed statements that Bush and Clinton secured if following the meeting, it allows trust to be built up. Time will tell.

Happy to take the other side of that bet Les.

Like Whitehall civil servants?