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Les you're squirming and disassembling - I thought you would have learnt by now (you have plenty of experience) that when you're in a hole don't dig pal. Specifically you said "Clarke especially, has been determined to vote down everything pro-Brexit for the past three years, even against May". Whether Clarke has historically voted for EU integration 10, 20 or 30 years ago is wholly irrelevant with respect to your original statement and what has happened in the past three years (your words). Either back up your original statement (you can start by explaining Clarke's record on the WA) or put your hands up and admit you've had a shocker

Ken Clarke has voted to leave the EU more times than Boris Johnson and most ERG swivels. You're looking a bit silly Les

What have you negotiated before Les (Ebay doesn't count) and more importantly how is it relevant to the characteristics of this particular negotiation? Of course, it would help if Johnson actually intended to negotiate with the EU; but as Cummings admitted No.10's renegotiations are a sham.

Obviously but simpletons who've been binge-watching the Apprentice think it's a credible strategy.

“I need to keep no deal on the table to negotiate a better deal” all while not actually negotiating or making new proposals while he had the chance. Obviously he knows there’s no such thing as a better deal but as long as he can suspend and duck reality and pretend there’s one, thwarted only by parliament and Johnny Foreigner, chumps like Les and John will lap it up as to admit the alternative, that they’ve had their pants pulled down is too much for them.

It’s Boris Johnson who’s running scared from the mess he’s created. Tory rebels were prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and let him dangle the threat of no deal, however ludicrous, to secure a better deal but as soon as they discovered he wasn’t actually negotiating with the EU or bringing forward any new proposals all while limiting parliament’s ability to hold him to account, he rightly lost the vote. It was a cynical ploy that they saw through (sad stooges like you can’t). Ken Clarke’s analysis is spot on. Had he been a bit more deft and less choreographed, perhaps, he might have pulled things off. Or indeed, heaven forbid, acted in good faith. But we are where we are. Now he should go and do his job instead of having a tantrum because others won’t take the bait. Tough titties pal.

Les, be a good boy

Yep.

As long as the opposition doesn’t vote for any election that comes before October 31. Let him see his deadline come and go.

Bercow dressing down Javid now

Johnson having a mare.

I know. I even respond to RedArmy's posts and make him feel welcome when virtually everyone else ignores him. Can't ask for more than that.

I love Ian Blackford's satisfied, ruddy face.

Not all of them were Eurosceptics - IIRC that group included six tories who wanted a second referendum - the likes of Gieve and Greening (but also Jo Johnson who's now shilling for a no deal). But the point remains: if the ERG and chums in the DUP had voted for the WA, we would have been out by now. And yes John's maths is terrible

You do realise that if the ERG and DUP had voted for the WA, it would have passed.

Very very very unlikely.

Everybody is mentioning it JJ.

Who knows: Corbyn’s riding low in the polls; Johnson is spunking billions on pre-election sweeteners and gearing up for an emotive people-against-parliament-and-johnny-foreigner campaign all before the consequences of No Deal become too obvious.

Don’t take the bait of a GE.

Is Mike Allott still on the saints voice panel? We're in safe hands with him.

Oliver Letwin #classact

Peter Bone #mess

Phillip Lee saying that JRM's shocking interview on LBC yesterday was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Don't mention P'boro to Les - it got him very upset last time, caused him to go missing after than acting as if the result was in the bag and when he returned he started posting far-right links to explain away the result. Not the little fella's finest moment