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Or who happily cites alt- or far-right websites.

Who knows -only two go through, both dislike Johnson and have ruled out proroguing Parliament and Hunt is a plodder.

Gove-Stewart joint ticket?

That’s right - you just need to trawl politicalite instead. Pure gold Les

Gove is the most polished of the lot; then again, he’s a speccy spudhead and doesn’t have the effortless confidence that people expect leaders to possess (which isn’t a bad thing).

Maitlis is usually pretty good but was awful tonight. The format was poor but televised leadership debates are in themselves not very TV-worthy. The candidates are ultimately colleagues, so were never going to go hard on each other and engage in “blue on blue action”. The result is that it was lifeless and superficial.

I guess you’ve never heard of ‘one nation conservatism’. Read a book pal.

No tariffs, GATT Article XXIV wtf? As soon as Johnson actually tries to answer a question rather than avoiding it, he goes off the rails. If this was a proper debate, I’d be smelling blood.

That would be £6-9m in old terms. What would Shane Long go for if we had bought him today?

So what parts of the report do you disagree with, assuming you've read it (I remember you did a runner the last time I asked you this question)?

Good piece, though I don't think he would be able to convince Labour supporters to back his smoke-and-mirrors job. In negotiations with May, Labour insisted on a permanent customs union which would require more than a tweak or two of the political declaration. Even then Johnson would be too divisive a figure to cultivate much crossbench trust and Labour would have every political incentive to make life difficult for the Tories. Needless to say, if Johnson did pull of the unimaginable, the Conservative Party would be punished at the next election since there isn't much support or appetite in the country, on both sides, to find a compromise.

Some of the most swivel-eyed to boot. Their views are perfectly echoed in yougov's latest poll. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-tory-members-uk-economy-scotland-northern-ireland-yougov-a8963391.html

Which is obvious to any rational or sane person, thogh Les, as he disappears further down the rabbit hole of conspiracy and cognitive dissonance, will claim that it was also a stitch-up.

A failure of imagination. You mean realism and not believing in unicorns and other undeliverable promises. Or as Ivan Rogers says “I am worried that the longer the sheer lack of seriousness and honesty, the delusion mongering goes on, the more we imperil our long-term prospects”. You and Les crack me pal while also absolutely terrifying me

Organisations like this have processes and procedures that need to be carefully followed and regulate how justice is administered to ensure their independence and impartiality-that they are not susceptible to the whims of individuals (assuming those whims even exist). Again you’ve failed to show how different standards have been applied - I’ll take that as an admission that you’re wrong and talking bollôcks. The UK is not a banana republic - then again you’re happy to impugn the professional civil service and other major institutions, even though you have no idea how they work- all part of your conversion to full swivelhood.

Evidence?

When in trouble, without a rebuttal and floundering, blame dark, invisible forces - increasingly the Les way Where’s your evidence that the Electoral Commission is systematically biased (and its not just the Electoral Commission that has found fault)?

What was the total amount in fines handed out to Leave vs Remain? How many Remain donors or supporters have been referred to the National Crime Agency for suspected criminal behaviour? Who from the Remain campaign has been fined by the ICO (distinct from the Electoral Commission)? Who has been reprimanded by major public institutions such as the NHS for using a strictly controlled image which risked misleading the public?

Again with the lurid conspiracies. I know it’s hard to admit that the scale of Leave’s violations dwarfed those of Remain but they are the facts pal.

Bang on the money.

Politicalite, that bastion of truth and objectivity. In the meantime, I'll go and delete my cookies and browser history in case I'm now bombarded with all manner of gutter right-wing conspiratorial garbage. I used to have a soft spot for gentle, cuddly, mildly bigoted Les. Where's he gone pal?

Oh how far Les and LD have gone full swivel. They’re so intellectually compromised by their support for Brexit that they can support a figure like Boris Johnson while in the same breath and without a hint of irony or self-awareness attack Rory Stewart for being egotistical. Keep up the good work fellas

Not really Les. Brexit splits Labour but not to a much lesser degree than the Tories. For starters, you massively misunderstand the nature of the Labour leave vote (see below and before you foam at the mouth about Baroness Ashton, play the ball, not the man and tell me what’s wrong with the analysis). Come a general election, you’ll find that many Labour leave voters don’t care as much about Brexit as they do about the state of public services and social policy. That is the nature of a GE that is fought on multiple issues. One of the lessons of the Peterborough by-election, a proper leave constituency, is that the Brexit Party split or cannibalised the Tory vote. By contrast, the Labour vote held up much better. It’s not hard to see a similar pattern repeating itself up and down Labour leave constituencies. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/16/labour-brexit-remain-voters-european-elections

Raab getting destroyed

Les can I buy you and LD a #properdrink after you’ve finished destroying the Conservative Party and possibly Brexit?