Saint Fan CaM

Trouble is Havertz is operating alone - a number of occasions he’s won a good knock-down and no-ones there to pick up the 2nd ball. As the game gets stretched it suits PSG who are looking more likely to score the winner.

I’ve not seen any evidence that demonstrates that beaten teams always get an automatic bye into a final. Not only that but it might be argued that the semi’s were not a straight ahead knockout competition. Saints won in the second leg which was not influenced by the alleged ‘spying’, so how was that not disproportionate? As has been repeated many times, you have to view the punishment awarded in the context of how it’s was decided - by a Boro/media influenced panel with 2/3 panel members holding a biased vote. I’m astounded more has not been made of how and why these two panel members were not disqualified from the panel. As has been said, even if they claim they were not biased, they were by implication and in law that’s enough.

You may be right, however not only was that differentiating punishment not clearly stated alongside the rule in the first case, but the EFL have not actually provided Saints or indeed the general public with that rationale to validate your claim. In other words, Gibson and Boro decided on the punishment PRIOR to the kangaroo court panel hearing with a media shitstorm release and hey presto that’s exactly what the bent EFL panel decided to deliver. AND not only were Saints kicked out of the competition but hey presto again, Boro for some weird rationale were given a bye into the final. Why? There was little justification for rewarding Boro and not the rest of the league if the process was truly independent and not biased. That outcome was not stated prior to any transgression either. The EFL including its Boro Chairman and it’s Boro biased panel members have a lot to answer for.

I don’t think the FA have the time or money to take these clubs to the cleaners, despite the undoubted need. What I’m hoping is that if the FA go “two-footed” into Saints we are readying the very best legal representation to go nuclear on both the FA and particularly the EFL/Boro. We’ve taken a huge disproportionate punishment already - any further sanctions could have irreparable consequences for the club. I find it hard to fathom how any true Saints fan can honestly be in favour of this.

To be fair to Saintant, it’s not the same. He’s stating that the alleged spying was an insignificant thing - you’re stating that the outcome of a bent EFL investigative panel was significant. The two are not mutually exclusive (i.e. both things can be and are, in fact, true).

Wouldn’t it be interesting to find out that Taylor instigated the spying initially and then used his intel when operating for Boro? Probably not true, but stranger things as they say…

Yeah, I understand hindsight is wonderful thing FF and perhaps there’s litigation potential holding back any further comment. PP just needed to say “I know nothing, but I will personally get to the bottom of the matter”. The issue is not about now though - it’s about the future and whether a CEO with so little ability to make himself aware is the right guy going forwards. If Dragan thinks he is then fair enough…he’s ultimately the guy that will literally pay for his mistakes.

How’s the mood on the Boro fans sites? Gone a bit quiet or are they just wallowing in their own self-pity?

And still you ignore that I did mention TE as a matter of fact and in reply to FF’s post. 🙄

Are you sure? Because there’s more evidence suggesting there was than not IMO. We did what we did sure, but the manner in which it was identified/reported/judged/penalised was highly, highly suspicious. I can’t for the life of me understand how anyone cannot see that - even neutrals find it strange. But hey, it’s a free World and I respect your right to disagree.

As usual you don’t have the intelligence to read carefully my point. A bit kneejerk - like Parsons.

I’d do wonder whether the FA is acting in an intermediary role between Saints (and their big legal guns) and the EFL now. Bigger stakes at play than Salt, TE or even Spors. Pure speculation of course. Also it’s half-term and everyone’s on the beach.

I understand and agree with the essence of your point here FF, particularly when it comes to TE. Parsons I’m less inclined to side with - he’s the CEO…as such, accountability for his conduct in the whole sorry mess needs to be addressed. Unless he was suckered into Gibson’s trap like Salt, I’m not sure he deserves our sympathy. The key point being that he doesn’t appear to have made himself aware of the commercial or footballing ramifications of where we found ourselves prior to the semi’s, which given his supposed elevated background is shocking at best. It’s nice he’s a fervent fan, but he’s paid handsomely to be a CEO first and foremost.

Not exactly accurate…that last bullet point (“veto power”) jumps out, particularly if you’re of a mind that the EFL kangaroo court was, errr, let’s say established inappropriately and therefore biased.

Try reading the articles from Sir Mostyn carefully. He sets out a clear and unambiguous case that SR/Saints could take to the High Court should they wish. The FA is as likely to be investigating Boro with their connections to the EFL Board (was it the resident Boro Chairman who appointed their two ‘friends’ on the panel?). Not only that, but there is supposed proof that Boro have in fact broken EFL rules themselves and gained unfair competitive advantage systematically and repeatedly in conjunction with data mining and IT alongside Teeside University. It would appear that Saints may well have a very sound reason to play their cards close to their chest in terms of ‘what next’, including potential recompense for the unjust penalty and a release of any further communication to supporters (which lets face it would result in a media storm which would be undesired). It was suggested here just after the announcement of the penalty that the EFL may well have lowered themselves into a very hot cauldron of legal soup and so it transpires. Someone also eluded to Dragan’s lack of willingness to roll over and take a beating - let’s hope he’s a very angry chap and has some well read, excellent legal representation. Some of us on here have said from the beginning we were treated appallingly by the EFL - the bias was almost blatant. I hope our club has the backbone to challenge the whole sorry mess and ensure Eckhert is retained as our Manager. A ban would be another clear case of further extreme bias in my view.