Legod Third Coming

Who thinks that chatting on here means we are not united as a fan base?? You overestimate the importance of internet arguments methinks...

Pull together with whom? I doubt this thread does much to prevent an Indian billionnaire buying us, but I'll promise to keep shtum if you suggest otherwise...

Celement Freud was a perfect gent. In that he didn't commit murder or preside over an empire of corruption, violence and gangland killings. But otherwise, spot on

I rest my case...

I don't get it. While he was possibly saving us we hardly heard from the pro-Lowe brigade. Now he has presided over a reduction in business turnover from £60m to totally bust, they're all out in force telling us what a great job he did??? Hello. Are you people off your fecking trollies?? I don't even dislike the bloke that much. But claiming the old king is alive when he's six feet under is barking. You might as well tell us Reggie Kray was alright really, we just didn't spend enough time in his company. I'm confused and no mistake.

Can I just get this straight Mr Lowe/Sundance/19C* (delete as appropriate): Did Lowe/you contact Crouch and put the offer of matching investment? Yes/No Did he refuse? Yes/No Keep it simple though eh. Just the answers above.

Far from it. I run a Limited Company and have loaned it money. If I ran an AIM listed company and it was in dire need of cash, and it was my company and I believed in it, I would work out a way to loan it money - underwriting a small rights issue, buying some of its assets but with a promise to sell them at the same/market value, etc. They chose to take money out the company they purported to run and care about and believe in. But funnily enough, chose not to care enough to cough up cash... Charlatans the lot of them!

Knock the ms off and you might be onto the right sort of valuation!!!

It's a serious question. Any one them could have loaned the company money.

We established years ago I thought that Southampton had no wise men and even fewer virgins. But plenty of stables, from where you can hear the doors being bolted despite the horses have gone in the direction of West Ilsley...

£1 could buy the club, easily.

And would all the shareholders have forgone any value for their shares?

Oh I think we do Lowe a dis-service. It takes a class act to turn a £60m turnover business into bankruptcy.

Portugeuse you say? He's coming home, he's coming home, he's coming, The Special One's coming home...

I see Charlton's Directors have bought some of the assets from the club in order to inject a much needed 1.5million. Ah, I remember now. We just had employees on the board who cared about the club..no wait I meant themselves.

The way I see it, there is no money to giveback to anyone! We can hand the keys back to the stadium. Presumably the players' contracts are null and void because we cease to exist. And we have a training ground and a farm... Oh and we might raise a few thousand by selling some merchandise for a club that used to be quite big on the south coast - ironically when it was a lot smaller...

In your experience CL, how long might it take to conclude a sale? I'm imagining that interested parties would want to undertake some kind of due diligence of their own? So I'm not surprised that there is no news yet. Are you thinking we should have had an offer at least?

Provincial club with 15k hard core supporters about to drop into the third tier of footbll in the depths of the world's largest economic depression fails to find buyer... shock news.

Like most accidents, not one of the factors you outline is beyond the prediction of anyone with a history of understanding fixed time events and their management and control. That is fundamentally the role of the police in regard to this tragedy. I am sure you can actually understand that all a father who lost two teenage daughters wants is someone to take responsibility for their actions and apologise to his face. Will it give him closure? I doubt it. I don't 'blame' the police in the sense that we are all human and all wise after the event and any one of us might have made an equally ill-judged decision in the circumstances. But crowds aren't a thousand individuals making choices. Crowds have a life of their own. And those responsible for managing crowds have a primary duty of care to their safety. You might as well say, if there had been no game, the tragedy could have been avoided, because nothing you list as contributory was unusual at any football game of this magnitude in 1989.

The picture your original mail misleadingly painted was one where every asset was sold in order to payback creditors with no attempt made to continue the operation of the football club. That's not the reality of the situation as you undoubtedly know. We all know how administration works. The new buyer will take on a proportion of the debt that is deemed acceptable to the creditors and the club will attempt to trade its way back to a profit situation - or at least to service the newly agreed levels of debt. Or it will be wound up. The creditors would love to avoid the latter because 50p in the £ is way beyond what they could hope for. What would the players really fetch? The stadium? Asset values have never been so low.

If there were no fans there no one would have died would they. Crowds push. Try getting down the underground at Waterloo at 7am and then tell me if you need to be a ****ed up football fan. All it takes is numbers, not actions - numbers.

Assuming that they go down Stan, so are you. Hahahahaha.

You've answered your own argument. Fixed time event. Limited access points. Delayed access. Excitement. Agression. Passion. Alcohol. Un-ticketed attendees. Tell me, what part of this came as a surprise to the police/authorities of the day?

Always had you down as a Forest fan...

I spent Aintree week in Livepool this year, as I have for the last three years. I also work and have close friends there. When going around the city, I find (unlike London) taxi drivers bid me a good evening, shop assistants chat animatedly, bar staff engage in conversation and waiters/waitresses smile and treat me with care and respect - alright sometimes sitting down at the table for a chat is over-familiar, but the point remains. Liverpudlians (in my statistically unsound experience) have a sense of belonging that many of us(especially in the south) simply do not comprehend - like Jews and Isreal. They are fiercely (and rightly) proud of their city, their heritage and their football club(s). It is the idea of blame laid at their door, the door to their city, their people that they feel so keenly because, in reality, it could have been any well supported club on the 15th April 1989 that lost 96 sons, daughters, fathers, brothers, sisters and mothers. It might have been us. Don't kid yourself that only Livepool fans travel to matches without tickets, or have ever surged the gates. The justice they want is an apology. It's not much to ask for a man who said goodbye to his daughters for the last time that day, is it? Are Liverpool fans blameless? Were any of us back then?