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During his reign Um during his reign stop being selective with the cut and paste you sad man.

Need to cut Dave Jones some slack sounds like he has Um on the phone every 5 mins. No wonder our year end accounting was always so late. Um I'm surprised you have a day job, how do you balance the two?

Also Nick I can't be ar5ed to check my original post but at the time I think the point I tried to make was that attendances fell under Crouch i.e during his reign and that under Lowe attendances despite the initial drop because of the blind hatred actually held up but obviously not enough to help save us.

Very true and it will be lot better IMO than the populist rhetoric we shall be subjected to by Crouch on 'local' radio.

To make matters worse we have the Notts County situation. I'm not clear if we owe them money and if we do how much but if monies do remain unpaid re McGoldrick the FL are going to start throwing books at us IMO as I assume Notts County aren't exactly flush. Makes you wonder why the decision was taken last season to reduce the funds we were owed on Walcott and did we do the same with the Bale trade as well?

I don't think any penalty will be strongly contested by the Administrators of SFC as discussed by others in this thread. You should care about a points deduction because we could start next season in Division 1 on -10pts and more dependent on any debt not repaid. We then have a push to avoid the drop into league 2.

I onced listened to Crouch's promises

How long shall we keep this going until you have the last word? OCD is it or god forbid you incite me into the use of emoticons? If so let me know as it's the Easter Holiday's so I can ask my son how to use them although he is a bit grown up for them. Apparently they are not that cool for even teenagers. My opinions or observations may prove to be wrong but I have never genuinely lied about anything but due to what get's posted sometimes misinterpret events even though they seem very clear at the time that I feel confident to repeat them. How I misread block 4 for block 10 for instance is something I'll never quite understand unless of course block 10 was originally posted and some posters have friends us mere mortals can only dream about. Still, conspiracy theories aside, there are things I can do which you can't and that is I can accept when I'm wrong, happy to post opinion popular or otherwise and happy to let the obsessives have the last word. Off you go, the floor is your's give us a controversial opinion Um. You secretly loved Rupert? Administration is scary and you now sleep with the light on? Common Um open up and avoid the red triangle before I put you on ignore as your Emoticons are affecting the performance of my new upgraded XPS.

LOL - it's knowle for you to by the sound's if it. If we surivive I see the likes of Gobern, Pulis, Lancashire, Euell, Wotton, Pericard...!

5 smileys and still only selecting the points from people's post where you think you can make yourself look superior. I just make observations Um that concern me as to how any investor apart from a very rich one can justify taking this club on. Beyond gathering the stats you actually have very liitle to say Um or unable to express it sitting at a keyboard.

Lot of Smiley's today Um, must be getting to you or you're getting tired of trying to defend the current position of our club. Can Crouch or Salz or whoever use 360 extra fans a game as justification to get the club on the cheap and perhaps not repay our creditors in full and persuade them to stay on side? Doubt Danny Wilde and Lord Brett Sinclair could do that.

Crap or valid comment?

I don't know Mike the exact numbers as I tend to go with my gut feel. My gut tells me fans did not return post the first Lowe era as we were led to believe. I leave it up to Um to crunch numbers and tell us they increased by many hundreds. The point remains that our crowds are far lower post relegation than those of many of our peers and therefore we will always be at a competitive disadvantage because of money and hence our organic grow your own policy developed to be one of the best under Lowe. Ottery - loving your work and thanks for acknowledging that you are responding to me in your last post not Frank. Happy to let it go the first time but since you asked. It not easy for any of us least those trying to believe the right thing has happened. Even the players don't believe it which is fairly crucial.

You might not give a toss Wade (which I doubt on both counts) but any prospective investor worth their Salz will be mighty concerned. A lot of people feel that whilst a fluffy white cloud may have passed over the horizon that occassionally blocked out the sun its nothing compared to the mother of all storms now brewing over head. In terms of forecasts many of our fans seem to be in the Michael Fish camp. Surely its only those filled with blind hatred agree with your last statement with the benfit of hindsight as we start down both barrells this morning.

Didn't we agree last time as well to remove the obvious spikes when the plastics/rubberneckers turned up for fear of missing out on something. In the analysis with Lowe's record we removed the Forest and the Man U game and so we need to take out the 32k for the Sheff Utd game because if Crouch and Pearson had done their job that would have been an 18,000 game if that. Perhaps that was part of their big plan Um? Anyway both pale into insignificance the average gate under the Administrators. It's always great to have a statto on board willing to do your donkey work for you. You're an asset to the forum and your company no doubt.

Indeed and with an army of help led by a few misguided generals supposedly in the same camp.

Before the points deduction was introduced. I'm not certain on that but it was posted as fact on here over the weekend so probably not true!

One thing for sure the league will close the loophole otherwise we shall see a spate of new holding companies being registered by those clubs not already managed by one. Unless they want to face a barrage of abuse especially from those clubs with recent deductions and likely lawsuits from them I think Malwhinney will dish out our just desserts. Saints will feel aggrieved and may issue their own legal action against the Football League but in their shoes its surely better to face one than half a dozen.

Mike, I don't want to embarrass you but gates fell under Crouch and after Lowe left the last time the promise of the returning thousands didn't materialise despite the hope of new money. Check the stats but revenues have declined consistently and the past 9 months goes to prove only one thing that whilst the club try to improve their position many of our fans can't match the effort.

Nothing suspect about it Wade, the administrator is there to act solely in the best interests of the creditors and will accept a bid that is only acceptable to the creditors. If no bid is acceptable the club will be sold off along with its assets to the highest bidder starting with the players. At the moment I don't see anyone coming up with enough cash to satisfy the creditors and will therefore have to convince them of some form of part repayment and convincing business plan. All I can say is they will have their work cut out as we will be in League 1 next season and no spare cash to finance the purchase or pay salaries to players capable of getting us back to the CCC. Do any of these new bidders have seriously deep pockets in the tens of millions? I also doubt anything with Crouch in tow is hardly going to be attractive to the creditors to those consortiums trying to formulate a rescue package that involves part repayment and future promises. Like it or lump it Lowe in control of the club was always going to be better than have our fate placed in the hands of now fiercely over-regulated and risk averse creditor whose fingers having been severely burned on bad credit decisions. Any fan who thought otherwise was simply blind to their own hatred.

But the protests didn't help us remain in control of our own destiny did they and now we are in the hands of people who care about us even less than Lowe did alledgedly according to some of his more vociferous detractors. Now we are at the mercy of our major creditors and one we know whose business practices in general are under the closest scrutiny and therefore not exactly in a position to want to negotiate. If we owe monies to HMRC as well then we are in it up to our sorry necks. Thats before the Football League deliberate over twisting the knife on Tuesday. The fact is Hamster the protests and the boycotts were culpable in bringing about this situation today and why fans at Forest, Charlton, Norwich and Derby (when they were struggling) decided to support not protest. We need to move forward and unite but some need to recognise that they were wrong in their actions to stay away judging by the turn out on Saturday. I still remain convinced if people had recognised we were operating with both hands tied behind our backs and supported the club accordingly we would not be in this desperate limbo we now find ourselves and unable to influence the outcome. The Adminstrators and our creditors will decide the fate and how does that feel?

Lowe and the board were protecting the fans interests simple as that. If they had gone down the March Madness route the whole lot would have gone to the principal creditors. The writing was on the wall and despite the boards frantic efforts they failed to secure our future. Just a pity that effort wasn't matched until now. Save our Saints might have been a somewhat more productive protest than Lowe Out don't you think?

Dear Morph, I suspect you are familiar with John Milton's Paradise Lost. There are so many appropriate extracts from that book that we should all take heed of as we proceed with extreme caution into a new age but perhaps the most fitting is where he talks of our torments in time becoming our elements. (Or words to that effect). Change needs to be brutal and backed by instant action and not populist promises of more to come. The torments of the past need to stop. Do you agree? Best Regards NC

Apart from the suggested merger with Portsmouth I thought he quite literally hit the nail on the head. Somewhat ironic we call ourselves a Premiership club based on things like our ground and academy when these are the very things our ex-chairman delivered for us. That is realy our only claim, our facilities, as we have spent well under less than a third of our existence in the top flight and a fan base unwilling to support the club for the other two thirds if history is going to be a guide to the future.