Smirking_Saint

The money spent for me means you dont just give up at the first hurdle, give him a chance. I wonder how many of the Ramirez haters wanted Morgan gone ?! He obviously has quality. But yes he needs to step up next year and yes it was a def red

Very much hope he is, and looking forward to a few people climbing of their horse TBH

Suppose it depends who the troll is ?

Wonder what his thoughts would be regarding Lamberts performances recently. It really is one of my pet hates debating with someone who refuses to see either side in an arguement

Not sure Ramirez is the poor mans, I still have faith in the lad. Hopefully he will kick on next year. We have dumped 15m on him so we need to give him time. Perhaps get another technical winger around him to help him etc. Coutinho looks great though, and is finding his feet like I only hoped Gaston would this year.

Well, this I do agree with. Whilst it is a little exciting and dizzying considering where we were two years ago Europe for me will be a step too far. Thought that we MAY have risen too quickly for the prem but we managed to get our act together just about in the end, though it cost us big. As for Europe, I sm secretly quite glad that we are not Europe bound. You only have to look at the damage to Newcastle who actually tried to compete and even a lesser extent Chelsea (though I doubt Rafa's ability as a league manager). Dont get me wrong I reckon we will dump atleast another 20m into the team next year. And maybe we can try to get into Europe through the league ? What I am saying is we need a few years to build a decent squad first.

This really isnt the way it works in modern football, with the exception of perhaps Man U or Arsenal transfer policy is down to committee. It is done this way to ensure a situation such as QPR where 3 successive managers have been offered cash to spend and bought dross, dross that a new manager would never wish to use.

Am I actually reading this properly ? We have been on a decent run of form, not lost in 7, beaten Liverpool, beaten City, generally been playing some very good football. Starting to see the best out of J Rod etc half the board were talking about Europe etc (over the top yes but shows how well we were playing) We had a bad day at the office yesterday, the players were already on holiday IMO. It was a lazy performance which WBA capitalised on and thoroughly took the game away from us. Lallana was poor, Lambert non existant and even a reliable cork went missing at times. Thus gave WBA more oppurtunity to get the ball to their front men. All pace and power, and basically overturned our defence. Perhaps with a better equiped midfield we could have reduced the service, without one it was hopeless. But to then come here and read such dross as Clyne, Yoshi, Lallana (poor season ok) arent fit to wear the shirt, that Poch has no clue and is riding on Adkins baby ?!?! Really ?!? I was never impressed with Nige this season, our play lacked passion, tactics and the right substitutions, the defence leaky and no e of it for me was sorted until Poch's arrival. What Inam saying is get some perspective and dont get dragged in by the trolls, it was a poor poor game but it happens. Even the best have off nights. And no it doesnt mean we are in trouble, not does it mean we need a brand new 11. What it does mean is that thr boys will now realise they still have to turn up, play with the intensity that they have been and push on. Im sure Poch isnt one to just brush over it in the training ground.

Hmm, god time for this again

Even for you that is complete nonsense

Tried that one buddy, he asked if I was serious and then bottled it Then accused me of being an arrogant troll by saying we were safe

Corrected it for you buddy

Dont agree on much do we ?!

I can agree with this. Though I wonder if the Ramirez deal was one that was there at the time maybe ? And so we took the plunge ? I honestly think he will kick on next year. Mayuka though, from what I have seen, I just dont know if he will make it in the prem, maybe he has quality, but I dont see it personally

Will agree to disagree

Thats ok then I think

Did I say that Baz ?

Yes exactly, never played with better players nor international Whats your point rog ?

Yoshida is our best defender

Ill put my hand up and say he hasnt delivered yeah. That said, he excites me when he comes on and seems to be a player that genuinely COULD make something happen. But it hasnt really worked for him this year. That said is it really time to dump him and get on his back ? Cos that what this is really about right ? Not to debate but to stir it up ?

The talk about the CL for me was a little deluded, Europe is one thing and achievable but if I am not mistaken there has only been what ? 5 english teams in the CL ? It gives me hope that Cortese's plans are grand enough to TRY but I am realistic that itll take time, I also take heart from spurs and especially Everton. But again, we are not there, nor do I honestly think we ever will be but there you go. Im not sure that Poch's words were about right now, but they got in the players heads and they believed they just needed to turn up and thats dangerous. The fans and a few of us seriously considering it in the near future was also cringey. Long term ambition is one thing, but thats different. Lets not go from one dillusion to another though, today was the worst I have seen for certainly this season (closely followed by brom away) but to say we will be lucky to survive is silly.

Its really not I remember Incey falling out and having to be calmed down on the Wolves training ground. The reason ? His passes were not being read by those around him. Its a simple thing, creative players need those around them to understand the game. But you stick with the motors Dune me old mucker

Probably will play better with better players around him. Has pace, vision and touch. Certainly looks like a player from what I have seen of him. Just struggling ATM Still what do I know, apart from links to the game I stupidly said that Maya, Morgan and J Rod were decent when everyone else were ready to dump them

Thought he started well, but has looked poor since