Smirking_Saint

It is actually quite comical that a few people have stuck their heads out of their hypothetical ivory towers to lecture me on the finer points of humility to your fellow man and the convention of freedom of speech. I mean jesus christ.

What position ? What Division is he from ? Is he good ? Why can't you just PM me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, i'll put it into other terms. If someone is on a plane, and begins to verbally abuse the staff and company whilst the plane is still grounded for arguements sake, would the staff just pass it off as freedom of speech or would the perpetrator be dealt with ? As that is pretty much what is happening here, nothing really to do with freedom of speech at all.

Have you actually read the current debate between me and CEC ? I also said earlier it is doubtful it is an admin error, i really don't understand why you are jumping into what i am currently saying without actually understanding it ?

Well done there, avoiding the points i actually made to put your 'i'm higher than you' attitude rather into a more paling perspective. I respect freedom of speech and all in all i don't want to see an innocent saints fan come to any sort of hurt or heartache. However that has absolutely nothing to do with what is happening here, nothing. Is he indefensible ?? I don't know i really don't, but IMO NI has done enough to cause a company that is offering a service to politely tell him he is not welcome. Please don't confuse this issue with anything other than it is, a customer talking negatively about a company being refused its service.

It wasn't aimed at you As for the actions well, its sort of debatable really depending on how you look at it.

Sorry It was only a little bit jokey

Its no fun to me, go on, PM me and i will send you a fact in return

Female ?

If you can't understand the points i was attempting to get across there really is little point trying.

Did you have a bacon sandwich after ?

Is he a sportsman ?

Can't you just PM ?

Not this sh*te again. Why should i blindly defend ANYONE ?? Let alone just because they are a saints fan, without knowing all of the issues, if a Saints fan commited murder, do i still accept it ? Because he is a saints fan ? Thats crap. I feel sorry for him, i really do but in the cold light of day we don't know the reasons behind it and there is ALWAYS a reason. I can't see NC just engaging in some sort of scattergun bannings. As for free speech, thats a ton of crap as well, where does it end ? If a terrorist is actively calling on people to kill the english in this country should they be let off ? Do holocaust deniers get let off because of free speech ?? So If i was outside my gym, calling it sh*t to anyone that would listen, write blogs about it, contact the paper and slag it off, call the manager a w*nker would you not expect me to be politely told to get stuffed ?? Get a grip

True but that doesn't necersarily mean there is any real menace or the need for all the conspiracy boll*cks that seems to be being made up left right and center either. IMO stuff like the removal of the payment plan etc, although there SHOULD have been a warning about it, the club doesn't have a right to publically explain its reasons for its removal. It is a business and is being run as such, as i said before to, we are unlike many other clubs in the fact that we don't need the ST money up front. As for this NI episode, i think he has himself to blame, IMO. As you say, it probably isn't an admin issue with the way this has all panned out, but we don't know for definate that it isn't so we can't start calling NC 'propa nawty'. Equally the way into which NI constantly stands completely out of the parapit and has an opinion on everything saints without actually being in an organisation that means anything at all will innevitably put him in the sights of Cortese, and he has done enough to p*ss off a man who probably has a short temper, i mean he was publically opinionated about Cortese, we don't know what happened when NC asked them to remove the club crest etc from the site but he may well of chucked some toys around ? The Silverspoons fiasco, which, IMO probably wasn't all his fault but make yourself a figurehead and thats what you get.

Is it fact ?? It always worries me when one side attempts to get their side out before the other and make it public knowledge. Silence or no silence they have a reason good or bad, and the REAL events will be somewhere in the middle of the two stories.

He was no where near as bad as Pulis and Wotton. Just a weak leak at the time

Thats pretty much what you are doing though ? I agree he has alienated a few people, but come on, on the whole they are not as bigger issues as has been made out. We don't know the reasons behind the Payment Scheme removal We don't know why NI has had his ST removed. Problem is without all the FACTS we cant actually make up an opinion.

How the f*ck has this managed to get to 13 pages ?? Wow. -And i see we havn't actually got ANY facts whatsoever ? Crazy -As for Dunes insistance that the majority of the fanbase is p*ssed off IMO that is wrong, and i would imagine if you asked a load of saints fans in the concourses on match day over 90% would be happy. -NC has crap PR skills and is ruthless but is hardly the tyrant being made out by some The rest is a bunch of t*ss really, oh and SteveGrant, i got an infraction for having an opinion and not doing a lot wrong, which still p*sses me off

Budweiser would be nice, or Kronenbourg, basically anything not watered down would be a refreshing change. I do like Speckled Hen also.

Says who ?

I had a mate that used to work on the meat counter at Sainsburys, every BBQ he used to drop and consequently 'reduce' a load of meat, sausages for 10p and burgers for 10p, steaks etc for a couple of quid. Used to be brilliant. We didn't do it too often though, so he didn't get found out, and always a couple of us that bought the stuff seperately.

Thats f*cking horrific. 5 deaths and a rape and armed robbery, he should have been burned to death, not handed a recommendation of 25 years.

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