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But that's rather the point. No one is seriously claiming that anything is off-limits to actual humour, or even failed attempts at it. What Gray in particular (as well as the un-sacked reporter) displayed was seething contempt directed at women in football.

You should try logging out and looking at this thread. Every single advert is for a degree course. Ironic advertising?

Agreed. It makes you wonder what a pundit like Alan Shearer is up to. In being so blandly uninformative and lacking in analysis, is he upholding the secret oath of a kind of football magic circle, to curry favour with his erstwhile mates, or is he just dull?

Oh deary me. Wrong forum. Never mind - just think of it as saints related

Put the bunting out, have a street party. http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2011/jan/28/slade-film-school-studies-ucl (This link is brought to you by our proud sponsors, Johnny Bognor Data Entry Inc)

*Yawn* Oops, sorry.

I said STOP generalising your life to the rest of us!

Ok enough! Could people PLEASE stop generalising from their own tiny personal experiences - as if their lives were some kind of scientifically representative sample of the universe and everything in it.

I take it you are long-term unemployed.

No, it makes the case for meritocracy - not the atrophied system that selection at 11+ had become.

Wrong. Deppo works for me. His job is safe - for now.

Yes they are a drain - a very severe one. PFI companies raking in huge contracts and defaulting; pharmaceutical companies vastly overcharging the NHS (ie us); defence contractors ripping us off to the tune of billions PER CONTRACT; multinationals moving HQs and money offshore every five minutes to evade paying anything but the most miniscule amounts of tax; banks going bust and being rescued by taxpayers...etc, etc. God the list is endless. Ethical capitalism is one of those oxymoronic pipe dreams in the modern world of the large corporation. They won't 'save this great nation' because they don't give a flying **** about this nation. National borders faded long ago in the headlong rush to bilk the British taxpayer.

Has it only just dawned on you that your lords and masters, on whom you fawn so abjectly, are from a world you could only dream of but never really aspire to? And you certainly wouldn't be allowed anywhere near... The political class live their lives in complete security knowing that there are enough unthinking, obsequious dunderheads in Britain to go around propping up their lives of unearned privilege and power.

The problem with the hope that apprenticeships will be the answer to all ills is that whereas companies used to run these at their own expense, it's now common, if not almost universal, that companies expect the government to 'subsidise' apprenticeships schemes, so that the cheap labour becomes all but free. The sponger mentality runs deep among our thrusting entrepreneurs.

I think you are about to be teased a little bit.

Not even THEY are stupid enough to say 'it was just banter'. I guess that will always fall to you.

Don't be such a baby. Gray and Keys were out of control. They bullied and got away with it - until their behaviour slipped into public view. Show trial my arse.

Not at all. I don't think you can build a socialist nirvana with those two.

If he acted illegally I expect it would. Get some perspective and common sense. If you spend your waking hours intimidating and bullying your work colleagues, and you get found out abusing perfectly competent officials on grounds of their gender, you don't really deserve to be paid £1.7m a year for your opinions.

How OLD are you?

Thinking this and insulting someone do not necessarily go together (I accept, however, that it is your default position, given your dismal politics)

As it turns out, their recorded comments are just the tip of the iceberg in an office culture at Sky Sports of persistent bullying and intimidation. Is that something you approve of? Perhaps that's acceptable in Redondo Beach, although I doubt it. Here it's against the law.

Dream on Johnny. Your Tory Party would NEVER allow Clarke near the Chancellorship. Yes, of course Clarke had the intellect and instincts to be far more impressive than Brown. He was just in the wrong party. I'm no fan of Brown. PFI was a disaster he enthusiastically endorsed. Anyone who experienced the utterly reckless London Underground PFI schemes will tell you that. He also raided private pensions in a way that turned all but a few final salary schemes into unworkable monsters for companies. He just figured basically: why shouldn't the government rather than these over-rewarded pension funds reap the benefits. Of course, even the best of intentions - and this wasn't one of them - could have disastrous unintended consequences. Brown was by all accounts warned loudly and often, but wouldn't listen. In a government increasingly arrogant and adrift, he was a terrible choice for Chancellor, let alone PM.

Yeah but don't overdo it. The object is to kick dune out for the weekend.