Verbal

You can't really argue with conspiracy theorists of any kind, or in this case a regurgitative acolyte of conspiracy theorists. Trust me, I've tried. They're protected by a hard shell of single-mindedness (dressed up, falsely, as 'open-mindedness'), which at root is an unshakable conviction that major outrages are conducted by a 'deep state' on home soil (9/11 was Americans; 7/7 was Brits; Lee Rigby was - according to the stupidest acolyte - a death faked in collaboration with his own family; the Novichok attack is Porton Down gone rogue, etc). The only exception to the deep state/home soil guff is when the 'Israelis' (code for stinking Jews) are the ultimate culprits. The other key feature is the ranting about the 'MSM', as if it were some sort of coordinated 'establishment'-protecting hivemind - a charge that has led directly to Trump's full-on assault on the news media with his charge of 'fake news'. The attacks on the 'MSM' are invariably made by 'investigators' whose actual investigations take place entirely in their back bedrooms, where incidents and characters are strung together in ways that palely resemble the wall decorations of John Nash's office. But you can't just ignore conspiracy acolytes, sadly. They were once on the marginal fringes of sentience, but now one of them occupies the White House. I see that Trump's most trusted journalist, Alex Jones, is accusing Robert Mueller of being a child rapist, and is making gun-fingers at the screen at the mention of his name. You can bet this accusation will find itself into Trumpworld very soon. 'Pizzagate' - a Trump favourite - led to another 'self-investigating' acolyte loosing off an assault rifle in a falsely accused restaurant in Washington. And journalists now routinely run a gauntlet of vicious abuse at Trump rallies. Here, conspiro-loons also occupy the political left, but the patterns and arguments are exactly the same, down to the relentless scapegoating of what one Corbynista today called 'the Jewish world view'.

This is just out-and-out fabulous. A Tory MEP - a distinctly un-self-aware Brexit Jihadist - has been given space in the Torygraph to propose an update of the Treason Act. https://twitter.com/DCBMEP/status/1022044869081083905 Entertainingly, the Jihadists are really losing their minds over their own failures to implement Brexit, and are descending into a level of bobble-headed, lock-em-all-up extremism no one could possibly have imagined before 23 June 2016.

I'm absolutely not a member of the Labour party JJ.

Thank you Moses. When will that be then, when we start writing history?

Yep. Forgot that one, and there must be dozens more. It's so hard to keep up with all the bullsh it.

A potted history of Brexit Jihadism: 1. Believe the Bus! 2. No one's saying we have the single market! 3. (Let's not even mention the customs union) 4. You'll be swamped by Turkish hordes!! 5. Cake and eat it. 6. Sunny uplands. 7. Project Fear!! 8. To hell with all experts 9. To hell with the Good Friday agreement 10. To hell with the single market 11. To hell with the customs union 12. **** business! 13. Remoaning traitors! With this overflow of rage, I dread to think what happens next.

I've often wondered when a TV programme would be made that would be a 21st century Cathy Come Home. This is it. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p067bmlh/killed-by-my-debt

What? So your view is that the CIA/FBI/NSA assessment of Russian interference in the 2016 election and since is 'laughable' - meaning untrue - and that Putin's non-denial denial is credible? I just want to be clear, so that I fully understand how far over the precipice you've actually gone.

In the end it doesn't matter what we think of him - he's going to Fulham.

Good attempt, but is it really better than wan_kpuffin? Can we have a poll please, mods, on a new moniker for GM?

Did you miss the news from some fu ckwit on here that I'm actually a Corbynista? Still, it's a tough call. Is there anything that Trump has done over the last few days - question the existence of NATO, call the EU 'foes', snuggle up to his RT paymaster Putin - that Corbyn wouldn't have done in his dreams?

The toadys' manifesto to a tee. And all the more imbecilic after Trump's astonishing performance in Helsinki - which even some in the Republican party are calling 'disgusting' and 'disgraceful'.

a sub-human writes.

What else would you expect from the paedophile-led EDL?

Just some friendly advice. Before posting, try reading your guff out loud. It'll help you be less of a co ckwomble. Maybe.

Spooky...

Ok, quick game of whack-a-twunt: Yes, you’re right. Despite everything I’ve been saying over the last three years about Corbyn and his gang of conspiracy theorists, Putin fans and Jew haters, I’m a secret Corbynista. Brilliant. Why are they ‘so-called’? This is the alt-right logic at work (logic is a strong word applied to you, but let’s roll with it). People with opposing views don’t need to be engaged because they are exhibiting bad faith. You’ll find this dismissal of all alternative views as hypocritically held common with your friends on the alt-right. You sound like a lo-fi Milo, down to the desperate neediness in insisting on the last word. It is, Lord Crap! Living Marxism self-destructed when it peddled a conspiracy theory that the ITN footage of the Srebrenica victims was fake. ITN bankrupted tehm in a libel action. Subsequently, they went full Trumpian alt-right tilt, railing against the scientific ‘conspiracy’ of global warming, ‘political correctness’ and any limitations whatever on free speech, no matter what damage it does. This kind of journey isn’t that unusual – see Mussolini for more details.

A site supposedly obsessed with free speech decries examples of free speech. It's also a site that tries hard to conceal its miserable alt-right leanings. I wonder why you like it?

Translation for the non-crapulent: 'She's just a chick.' Oddly being told by our representative for the 1950s to get out of the kitchen.

...

Well spotted. Steve Analyst is on my radar but I hadn't seen that. He's an extraordinarily well-informed American business and trade analyst - one of those damned experts. And it goes to show how the truth is usually the thing that those gullible enough to believe conspiracy theories deny: complex.

F**k facts.

Something about one thing. Something about something completely different. Q. E. Jihadi D.!!

I'd guess that many remoaning traitors on here have lived quite a bit in the abroad. I certainly have. But what's that got to do with anything? Have you got an actual point, rather than trying to argue, bizarrely, that by standing on point X you know more than the rest of us? And if the UK is 'leaving' it's only route now is via a collapse of the political system (not completely unlikely) followed by a chaotic crashing out and economic chaos. Or do you have an alternative plan in mind? If not, here's a suggestion: go through all the self-serving resignation letters pouring out of the Tory party in the last few days. There'll be an alternative plan in at least one of those, right?

I really hope we don't. I'm rather fond of being a remoaner - even fonder of being a remoaning traitor. If someone could squeeze in a connection to Soros, Bilderberg or Rothschild, all the better. And for the umpteenth time, the 'jihadist' label is not an insult but a precise and objective description of a signed-up member of an economic death cult. The venerable Washington Post, which uses the analogous 'Brexit Taliban', describes the essential cult features, and they're all present and incorrect among the jihadists on here; and among their exalted leaders, those characteristics are intellectual dishonesty, incompetence, the complete absence of an actual plan, and the repeated impulse to run away when things get difficult (Farage, Banks, Gove, BoJo - twice! - Leadsom, Davis...and Rees Mogg, the ultimate cowardly charlatan, who won't touch leadership with a bargepole). https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/07/09/the-intellectual-dishonesty-of-the-brexit-taliban-is-now-in-full-view/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.92b977cc248d I do actually feel sorry for the jihadists on here. Since the beginning of this thread I've been pointing out that pinning your hopes on the Tory party to deliver Brexit is the definition of foolishness. It was never going to happen without the party, and therefore the government, falling apart. And the idea that the Tories could just walk away from any deal would wreck not just the political system but the economy too, and May is finally moving somewhere close towards recognising that. The severe warnings from business in the last few months - and Boris's jihadist wail of 'f**k business' - has brought reality sharply into focus. Brexit is dead. Only the jihadists live on to rage at anyone but themselves for its failure.