Verbal

I'm waiting for the next Davis cretinism so that I can call Brexit jihadist bingo. Unfortunately BoJo has popped in ahead of him with an even more stupid idea, with his leaked letter to TM saying a hard border between the two Irelands wouldn't be so bad. Christ, this lot are dumb ****s.

Osborne was right then and he's being coy now. Corbyn's customs union speech is just another step in the demolition of a Brexit jihadist's dream. Once there's a majority in parliament for a customs union (in practice, 'the' customs union), the next in line is membership of the single market. After that, the 'why bother?' question becomes irresistible. Trebles all round!

George Osborne is now saying that Labour is more pro-business than the Tories. https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-brexiteers-have-handed-labour-an-open-goal-a3775721.html It says something for the catastrophic May government that even someone as ditheringly useless as Corbyn should be in a position even to think about winning power.

A pretty reliable indicator of outcomes, especially at this point in the season, is goal difference. On that measure, we're fine and dandy.

Relegation is as much a competition as getting into the top six. So just think of it that way. Catching West Brom is going to be tough but we'll give it a good go.

Yet another win for Fulham tonight, against the league leaders, and another strong Targett performance. He's only been there a few weeks and he's already well established as a fans' favourite. The general view at the Cottage seems to be that he's a level above them, and that Sessignon, who scored the first tonight, has been given licence to attack more with Targett's assured defending. What it must be like to play for a team on a serious roll...

You really don't want to be a Moggk n o b.

So wait - you've gone from 'I won't judge Davies until I hear his self-serving justifications' to ' 'Im happy to be on his side'? That's some leap. So what you're really saying is he's a political hero of yours but you didn't want to admit it first time around. Hence the flannel about politics being 'polarised' by us all not sitting down and swallowing this garbage whole. As for Jess Phillips, I've absolutely no idea why you mention her. I've never given her a moment's thought and I doubt my politics align with hers (I'm not even a member of the Labour party). But now you mention her, I can see from your comments that she would have an emasculating effect on faux-macho amateurs. I notice you haven't applied your own banjaxed rule with her that you want for Davies. Where's the 'let's hear her justifications and accept them as read.' All you've done is make a scarcely credible claim that you're read her book. And as for Corbyn and his 'he believes he's right no matter how misguided he is', it's worth pointing that this precisely the character flaw that Corbyn shares with his nemesis Tony Blair, and which led to his worst folly and his ignominious downfall.

One of the chief reasons politics is so grossly polarised is because of poisonous politicians like Philip Davies. So there are two problems with your argument. One, you've got your causality backwards. And two, your argument is predicated on taking Davies' self-justifications at face value. vin is right. Davies' voting record is contemptible. His preposterous rationalisations for it even more so.

To be fair to Corbyn, he only took £27,000 worth Iranian state money for his television appearances AFTER the torture and forced televised confession (on the same channel) of an Iranian journalist. I'm not sure your attitude to women, Lord 'Chicks' Pony, is quite right. This may help:

We stroll on?

All of this is small beer compared to the stunningly awful fact that while May leads the most toxic, incompetent government of modern times, all Corbyn can manage, midterm, is to be four percentage points behind her. It's not that Corbyn is dangerous. It's that he is beyond useless.

Hang on, aren't you numbskulls against 'experts'?

Thanks for that list, JJ. As you say, idiots every single one. Also interesting to see that amount of prestige-massaging going on. Neither of the two 'economists' you list -two out of thousands! - is actually employed by the institutions you mention. Gudgin, rather than being a Cambridge don, is actually employed by the far less salubrious Ulster University, from where (quelle surprise) he writes his anti-Irish-nationalist tracts - as he would as a UUP advisor. He's also the best the jihadist Policy Exchange can come up with as an economic advisor. And Ormerod, rather than being employed by UCL, actually works for Volterra Partners, a 'niche' consultancy specialising in property and transport economics. Neither is a budding Maynard Keynes, that's for sure. I could go through the list but life is for the living. I prefer your shorthand: thickos!

Quite. Besides, if the government really wants to hurry along the collapse of outsourcing, they'll encourage HMRC to go after the genuinely self-employed. Employers - or more strictly companies who contract out - will still need to hire genuine contractors. As a well-known lawyer said after the BBC legal judgement yesterday, each case is 'fact sensitive', and HMRC has had no luck in trying to establish a precedent. This is the first case HMRC has won against the BBC since IR35 became a thing -and dodgy practices with 'disguised employees' (presenters mostly) have been rife there for years.

More good news for the jihadists, with their economy-exploding suicide vests... Even though we haven't left yet, Brexit has already caused substantial damage to the economy. According to the Greenhill investment bank: "It looks like the British economy is already suffering its effect with higher inflation, lower consumer spending, in particular around the Christmas trading period, and growth rates well below other developed economies." And even better news... While the EU continues to power ahead, the UK, in last place, is set to enter a Brexit-caused recession 'within two years'. This is the judgement not of academic 'experts' but of investors themselves. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/15/brexit-expected-to-lead-the-uk-into-recession-within-two-years-investor-survey-says.html Win, win - right?

Christ, the state of this.

That's a satirical pastiche, right? He didn't actually say that. No one would want to come off that stupid, let alone the de facto leader of the Brexit jihadism.

IR35 has been around since Gordon Brown was chancellor. There were then and remain fairly simple ways to establish that you're a genuine contractor, rather than a 'disguised employee'.

Given the state of the economy in 1983 it's likely that motorway building, like most public works, were funded at least substantially by government bonds - that is, debt that will be repaid by this and future generations. Schools and hospitals have been extensively been funded by another way in which governments in the UK have massaged borrowing - PFI, an exhorbitantly expensive mechanism that, like bonds, pushes the debts down the road to future generations. You may be an exception, but the vast majority of your generation has accumulated vast wealth in pensions and property - the kinds of income and asset wealth that 20-45 year olds will never come close to achieving.

We don't have unilateral free trade with other EU countries, or indeed any other country in the world. Surely you know this. So what do you make of Minford's and the PE's bland assurances that large lumps of British manufacturing and farming would be "eliminated"? Project Fear?

I see that the Policy Exchange, the Gove-founded ISIS of jihadist Brexism, is today advocating the tearing down of all UK tariffs. Their intellectual hero, Patrick Minford, has admitted that such a policy would 'eliminate' (his word) large swathes of British manufacturers, because they'd be wiped out by cheap imports but be unable to export to compensate because other countries' trade barriers would remain firmly up. And the PE themselves say "It would not necessarily be the end of the world if agriculture and manufacturing shrank further as a proportion of the economy." Oh, that's alright then. One immediate result is that voters in Leaveland - the industrial north and Midlands - would have thousands of their jobs binned - on top of the negative economic consequences of lower growth resulting from any version of Brexit, which will hit Leaveland harder than other regions. This unilateral dismemberment of the British economy so stupid that May is bound to try and adopt it.

Touch a nerve, Lord Crap? Seems the OP's question is inadvertently answered by you and the other oddity. Some are enlightened by age; some corrupted by it.

Just for a brief happy moment I thought this thread was called 'Banning old gits from posting.' Then they and their immigrant-hating crap was posted all over it. Oh well.

False. These are DExEU's impacts. You heard of them? The department responsible for getting us out of the EU. They have never, ever been 'the people' who said we'd be in recession now, whoever they might be.