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Luckily for Jeremy, the videographer of his sit-down protest has come to the rescue with an explanation, quoted in the Indy: On the CCTV, Corbyn is seen finally getting into his seat at 11.46am. The problem is that no one could have got off at that time unless they jumped from a moving train. The first stop on the 11.00 to Newcastle is York, at 12.53.

Thanks for that. I knew it was a cheap and dishonest stunt. I travel on that service very regularly, at all times of the day, and have never failed to find an unreserved seat. If he'd wanted to board a train merely not to find a seat and make his sit-down protest, he should try one of the rush-hour First Great Westerns to/from Bristol/Wales. Or on a Southern Rail commuter train. But in years of travelling on Virgin east coast main line (and Grand Central), and its excellent predecessor, DOR, I have never had to stand - not even close. So much for "principles".

You've just blown your gasket about a conversation that took place entirely in your head.

You've completely failed to comprehend moonraker's point. Read the post again. The Swiss have got precisely nowhere after almost two years of negotiations, and face ejection from access to the single market, because they could not reach any sort of compromise on freedom of movement. Their self-imposed deadline (by a binding referendum, unlike ours) runs out in February. It doesn't matter how much more 'clout' you imagine we have. Even the most emollient of EU figures, like Michael Roth, have said: 'no cherry picking' on freedom of movement. None. We are not going to given something the Swiss didn't get. The Tories - your former party - are angling for either EEA membership (Norway) or internal market access (Switzerland for now) - and freedom of movement is non-negotiable in both models. Those prattling on about the Canada model forget that (a) it's still not a signed treaty, after seven years of negotiation; (b) it doesn't cover services (80% of the British economy); and © The EU is only a small part of Canada's trade, unlike us. Regards, (((Verbal))).

What kipper Tender fails to realise, with his trouble distinguishing his tuches from his elnboygn, is that the there simply was no vote to "take back control". That was just a cheap campaign slogan, not a ballot-paper question. If May decides to retain free movement but leave the EU treaty, that's still Brexit. But as we're still not even at first base - with not the first clue what the government's position actually is, and with the three Brexiteers battling out silly turf wars - let's just wait and see. It doesn't look good for the three geniuses. Fox, who appears to have the most flimsy of grasps of the rules of international trade, has been slapped down by May for trying to muscle in on the FCO's patch, and Davis has been outsmarted by senior cvil servants, who've kept his recruitment down to a hundred rather than the two hundred he demanded, and has been denied the best senior talents as secondments. All going splendidly so far...

I don't like Corbyn, true; and I especially don't like his cultist devotees, most of whom are not 'entryists' but shiny-faced acolytes unwittingly participating in the destruction of the one party able to defeat the punitive, self-harming dogmas of the Brexit leadership among the Tory hard right. So if you want opinion more even-handed, try this: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n16/tom-crewe/we-are-many

I don't know if anyone's watching Channel 4 News these days, but their reports (shot by an extraordinarily courageous young Syrian woman) from Aleppo are truly disturbing. It'll be interesting to see if Corbyn and his inner circle of Putin and Assad enthusiasts in the Labour, Stop the War, and Momentum leaderships will say a damn thing against the Russian and Syrian air 'strikes' against civilians and hospitals in the city. Will Corbyn appeal directly to the two butchers to stop? I'm guessing not.

So aside from your having musical tastes that would embarrass a Neanderthal, you've managed to repeat exactly word-for word exactly the quote I posted. Bragg said it, and has since tried to wriggle out of it by whining about "context" and "twisted words". The more likely context is that he said what he said, with a clear enough meaning, without knowing he'd be quoted by a journalist. Corbyn is going to win the leadership election without question, and Labour - as even posturing musos like Bragg secretly know - is consequently screwed. (An Ipsos Mori poll today has Labour voters giving more basking to Theresa May than the babbling idiot.) Still no answer from you about the evidence of rabid Jew hating among Corbynists, and the utter collapse of Jewish support for Corbyn. Smith is barely credible but it seems so deeply offensive is Corbynism's antisemitism that Labour-voting Jews would rather support a brightly painted brick than give their votes to your precious Jeremy and his 'friends'. You seem incapable of an intelligible response. Look up the Dunning-Kruger effect. It'll tell you why you struggle with this.

That's as close to a fib as it's possible to get. The employment figures cover a period up to precisely five working days after the referendum vote.

Here's some excellent news. Anjem Choudary faces up to 10 years in prison after his conviction for supporting ISIS. As a figure who seems always to be in the cheerleading background of a large number of terrorist incidents and failed attempts in the UK, as well as inciting four-lions dimwits to 'fight' in Syria/Iraq, it's pretty extraordinary that Choudary has escaped prosecution until now. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/16/anjem-choudary-convicted-of-supporting-islamic-state The only problem is why it's taken since July, when he was found guilty, for the courts to allow this to be reported. Justice should be seen to be done, as it's being done.

Interesting. Not once in your posts have you questioned the plentiful evidence, linked on here, of rabid Jew-hating among your Corbynist co-cultists, and of its consequences including the almost total withdrawal of support for Corbyn among British Jews. On Bragg, let's see if the reporters from The Times have recorded the quotes. Bragg is only saying his words were "twisted" - not that he was misquoted. A non-denial denial.

Billy Bragg is suddenly my favourite musician (even if his music is actually crap). Corbyn is a "20th century Labour man," says the one-time Corbynist acolyte. "We need to be reaching out to people. We need to be working with everybody we can because you can see what happens to a political party that becomes tribalist." Well, quite. What took you so long, Billy? And as evidence of that tribalism, I see that the systemically antisemitic Corbynists have achieved one of their key goals - thoroughly alienating Jewish Labour voters. The Jewish Labour Movement - one of the oldest affiliates to the Labour party, dating back to 1922 - conducted a poll this week which found that 92% of Jewish Labour supporters back Owen Smith. That's Owen Smith - the leadership candidate who just about everyone, including many of his supporters, thinks isn't really up to much. Brilliant.

Not dangerous in the least. The first Amendment protects speech, especially about public figures, to the nth degree. You can literally say anything about pols and not be sued. And while your saying it's 'dangerous...unless you really know and can prove it' might in your mind imply some sort of truth to that article, what you don't mention is that its author is one of America's most notorious far-right trolls (a label he actually gives himself). God only knows what you're doing trawling around the political sewers inhabited by people like him, Milo Yiannopoulos and David Duke, but you can be pretty sure that the 'report' is the the kind of vicious ******** that even Fox News steers well clear of.

Depressingly, Corbynistas are taking the courtroom defeat yesterday in their traditional manner - by accusing one of the judges of being "born in Israel" and therefore unable to rule in favour of Corbyn because of his "pro Palestinian" stance. https://twitter.com/davidebaines/status/764181059068170240 In fact, the judge wasn't born in Israel, but no doubt #CorbynFacts will be on to that... Interesting, and pleasing, to see Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales getting involved in the argument (on the right side, of course).

So by your bizarre logic, the evidence of ways in which civil servants fail to deliver on relatively small contractual matters like PFI, IT, British Bill of Rights, etc., is in no way relevant to the outcome of an absolutely huge contractual matter like Brexit. Good luck with that. Completely and utterly wrong. The Leave message has 'ease' inbuilt: it's easy to leave, and we'll head for the 'sunny uplands' (© Gove) of post-Brexit bliss. Your great Brexit leaders continue even now to plush this big fat lie. Here's a section of a press release hastily withdrawn by Liam Fox's 'international trade' department. https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/764099561451388928 Why was it withdrawn? Who knows. But one reason might be that it contains two rather huge whoppers: that we can simply revert to WTO rules (we can't; we're not single-country members); and that WTO will cover all our trading activity (it won't; it covers goods only, and 80% of the British economy is services, so no problem there...). And don't forget the ineffable Leadsom, and her considered opinion post Brexit that some farms are for sheep and some are for butterflies. Really! We're going to need new language for the mess that's about to be unleashed by people like the disgraced-ex-minister-but-now-minister again Fox: multishambles? Or (for Tender) schmuckathon?

And so inevitably the Jew-hating comes home to Corbyn's own constituency Labour party. At an Islington North CLP meeting on Wednesday night, some bright committee member countered the claim that 'Jeremy' was unelectable by saying that only those approved by Rupert Murdoch and the Israeli ambassador were electable. A woman member trying to voice her objections to this was shouted down. Naturally, Jeremy has had nothing to say about Jewish conspiracy theories being flung about among his own local party. http://hurryupharry.org/2016/08/11/at-islington-clp-meeting-israeli-ambassador-blamed-for-corbyns-problems/ http://order-order.com/2016/08/11/islington-corbynistas-no-one-can-win-without-support-israeli-ambassador/

At no point have I said that people who voted for Brexit were just Tories. I have not entered into a discussion about the various factions voting for Brexit. I have no idea where you got that idea, and can only assume you post in a state of hysteria which blocks out rational thought. If you followed politics at all you'd know that a British Bill of Rights was in the last Tory manifesto. The Bill had support (as I stated) from May, but also from Cameron in the 2010 election. But it's been a banner policy change supported most strongly by Brexiteers in the Tory hierarchy. Again, for the hard of thinking, the point I was making was that if a relatively small change designed to unpick our relationship with international bodies proves beyond the capacity of the civil service and politicians, how the hell are they going to manage unpicking a relationship with the EU - a project at least as epic in administrative terms as rearmament in the 1930s? Got it now? Or do you want to invent another thing I'm "banging on about" to suit your ignorant fantasies?

Jesus H Christ. First, this a football forum we're contributing to, you great big dufus, not the Bayeux Tapestry. So why should I give a flying **** about how many posts I use? Secondly, you're right - I underestimate the utter detachedness from reality of Brexiteers, who seem to think that leaving the EU is little more complicated than waving goodbye to the continent and getting into bed with the lovely Chinese, the Russians, etc. So to spell it out in words you might understand: if civil servants can't find a way around the ECHR to construct a British Bill of Rights, what hope do they have of wading through the infinitely more complex legal maze that's been created in our several daces in the EU? And all to be achieved by a civil service, by the way, that's 10% smaller than in 2010. And that's assuming the three Brexiteers can ever muster themselves to articulate what it is they actually want by way of Brexit. They've been notable by their complete silence on the subject until now. You Brexit fans should be aiming your anger at those ill-informed sloths 'running' the FCO, the Min of Int Trade and the Dept for ExitEU, not at those simply pointing out some inconvenient realities about the scale of the task. To keep up my drip feed of news from the Brexit front (purely a public service, you understand), here's the Northern Ireland response to Theresa May's visit there recently. https://twitter.com/julianoneill/status/763402293182070786 Interesting, don't you think? Especially given that May has made clear that the mandate to leave the EU must include all four nations.

I'm surprised you knew that. The rest of us do, but your grasp on things seems so tenuous that for once you've outdone yourself. But then you do rather let yourself down by completely missing the point. I'll let you try to figure it out. Clock's ticking...

Here's some interesting Shape of Things to Come news... The Times today is reporting that a British Bill of Rights is dead in the water. So a Bill that was especially precious to the more rabid Brexiteers in the Tory party, and Theresa May herself, is just too complicated, too fraught, too difficult to disentangle from the existing framework of the European Convention on Human Rights (the latter ironically largely the work of a rather brilliant British Tory politician and Nuremberg prosecutor called David Maxwell Fyfe). If you fail in the foothills...

So now there are two unanswered questions. First the one you ignored: Can you think of a single example of anyone successfully negotiating a deal while unable to even articulate what they want? And the second, given your repeated and otherwise bizarre use of gay sex imagery in your last few posts: Is this your way of coming out?

And Carney had a perfectly reasonable, unanswerable response: it would have been wildly irresponsible not to warn of precisely the dangers that have come to pass. And he wasn't talking about the economy like on here, where it's measured hilariously as a movement up or down of the FTSE. He was talking about an economy that suddenly needed the lowest interest rates since the 1690s and the hopeful reintroduction of QE - an economy where a whole range of indicators are suddenly pointing downwards. Carney's wider point was that the Bank of England had to have a plan in the event that Brexit won - not to have had one would have been irresponsible. King, on the other hand, who presided in the BoE during the run-up to the credit crunch, has hardly emerged with his reputation intact. Compare and contrast with the three Brexiteers and their adoring acolytes. Six weeks past the referendum and still not a single clue as to what 'Brexit' means. So here's a question: can you think of a single example of anyone successfully negotiating a deal while unable to even articulate what they want?

That would be the same Mark Carney who's been forced to reduce interest rates to the lowest they've been since the seventeenth century, and who's reintroduced quantitative easing, to counter the huge negative impact on the economy of the Brexit vote? That Mark Carney? You delusionists are lucky that there's a remainer at the helm of the Bank of England who has a decent grasp of how the economy actually works and who quietly gets on and shovels up the crap that Brexiters - without a single clue about what to do next - have left behind.

Ignore him. He's just a puerile troll who's too stupid to realise that you might expect comments about Corbyn on a thread entitled Corbyn and the death of the Labour party. Jew-hating, which is systemic among Corbynists, has actually been in full flow this week. Two revelations on Sunday reveal the depths of it. In the Observer, it was reported that Corbyn has declared a £2,000 campaign donation from a certain Ibrahim Hamami, who opposed the Oslo peace accords and in 2015 wrote in defence of a wave of stabbings of Jews in Israel. There is also a mystery of the whereabouts of a £10,000 donation from the 'Friends of Al Aqsa', led by a Leicester optician and rabid Islamist called Ismail Patel (whose other 'friends' include Holocaust deniers). http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/06/jeremy-corbyn-campaign-donation-palestine Yesterday's Sunday Times also carried more evidence of the whitewashing Anitsemitism report. A former Corbynist and Corbyn policy advisor called Josh Simons has complained that Chakrabarti simply ignored his evidence that within Corbyn's office itself there was talk of a "Jewish conspiracy". Simons details how the Stalin enthusiast Seumas Milne, Corbyn's "Director of Strategy", grilled him about his own Jewish family background and his views on Israel. Not a single word of Simons' complaints to Chakrabarti was mentioned in the final report. https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/social-affairs/discrimination/news/77968/former-staffer-claims-corbyn-adviser-spoke-jewish And today, two of Corbyn's closest allies are reported comparing the state of Israel to ISIS, with one Corbynist MP, Grahame Morris, wanting all British Jews who've served in the Israeli defence force to be treated as suspected terrorists, and another, the odious Richard Burgon MP, telling MPs and Labour party members to boycott the Labour Friends of Israel group, on the grounds that "Zionism is the enemy of peace." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3728588/Storm-Corbyn-s-great-pals-compare-Israel-ISIS-terrorists-Row-Labour-anti-Semitism-grows-comments-two-ministers.html Corbynist Labour's Jew problem is getting out of hand - and the Chakrabarti whitewash will only have made things worse.

I remember going to a Michael Foot rally in Luton during the 1983 general election. The place was stuffed - thousands had turned out and it was a carnival atmosphere. In the election itself the Tories took both Luton seats with huge majorities. So it's hard to think of a more pointless activity than this ****-waving by Corbyn's cultists. It was a pretty bad day for Jezza generally yesterday. The £500 billion cost of the ten "pledges" have been widely laughed at. (Aside of course from the Corbynist cretins who think it's just a matter of turning on the printing presses - not understanding the very basic difference between printing bank notes - see Weimar Germany, Zimbabwe and Venezuala for results - and issuing bonds). And he was finally caught - as many had predicted - acting corruptly in issuing a peerage to Chakrabarti for her whitewashing of the antisemitism inquiry. http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/chakrabarti-peerage/