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Precisely. The vast bulk of UKIP voters are right wing Conservatives. If theConservatives were more right wing they would win me back.

John Reid speaks sense.

The current horsetrading and backroom deals is a good thing in one sense because it clearly demonstrates what would happen after every election under PR. I was just listening to Sir Malcolm Rifkind who described the situation as ghastly and I agree.

I said this the other day. I would vote Conservative if I lived in a marginal constituency.

That's a shame, but he's going to have to be happy with AV and i'm sure that the press will explain it to the public and try not to make it sound quite so bonkers as it does and in the end the referendum will easily be won.

You may want STD, but your leader is clearly more senible than the rank and file and he wants AV. “They’ve also said to us, the Liberal Democrats have said to the Conservative party, that they are only prepared to enter into a coalition agreement with a party that will change our electoral system to the Alternative Vote method of voting.” I've just been reading a compilation of LibDem blogs and the comments are very uplifting.

Are you suggesting that William Hague is lieing? It seems that your leader has spoken.

I know but it's still funny as f**k knowing how divvy the LibDems rank and file are going to go when they realise they've been stitched up on voting reform. The Tories are gonna stitch the Liberals up big time IMO.

Ed Balls or Geroge Osborne.

I have funny feeling there's going to be some dummy spitting from the lefties soon if what william Hague has announced means the Liberals are on board. he he he, you lost.

I must say i'm warming to the idea of AV voting the more i read about it and i'm sure the Liberals will all be pleased. So does this mean we're all one big Lib-Con happy family now?

No, you're wrong, they have asked for AV. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8673826.stm

This is the voting system that the Liberals want the Tories to adopt: The Alternative Vote The Alternative Vote (AV) is very much like First-Past-the-Post (FPTP). Like FPTP, it is used to elect representatives for single-member constituencies, except that rather than simply marking one solitary 'X' on the ballot paper, the voter has the chance to rank the candidates on offer. The voter thus puts a '1' by their first-preference candidate, and can continue, if they wish, to put a '2' by their second-preference, and so on, until they don't care anymore or they run out of names. In some AV elections, such as most Australian elections, electors are required to rank all candidates. If a candidate receives a majority of first-preference votes (more people put them as number one than all the rest combined), then they are elected. If no candidate gains a majority on first preferences, then the second-preference votes of the candidate who finished last on the first count are redistributed. This process is repeated until someone gets over 50 per cent. AV is thus not a proportional system, and can in fact be more disproportional than FPTP.

I've just been reading about the "Alternative Vote" system which the Liberals have asked for and the Conservatives have agreed to and it doesn't sound that bad. Of course I will have to look into it in more detail before deciding how to vote in a referendum.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8673826.stm

Source?

So are you saying the Liberals will be a yo yo party?

How have you come to this conclusion? How would the rightwing block be comprised (parties) and how would the leftwing block be comprised (parties)?

Because i fear such polarised mainstream politics could lead to riots.

Do you really think that under PR the British public would never want anything but the Leftwing Comunist Coalition Party?

You whinge and whine about when Thatcher was in power. If PR comes about and UKIP and the Conservatives and the DUP get into power you'll spontaneously combust. Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Galatians VI

No, because we see the bigger picture and where PR will lead and irony of ironies it'll be those on the left that will squeal the most when a hardline rightwing coalition is in power.

I'm saying that PR will be a nightmare when the lefties are in power from my perspective, and equally you are your lefty pals will be going divvy when the right wing coalition is in power. If PR happens i'll bet it's you lot that complain the most though.

This is the truth.

Thanks for proving my point. You are having a hissy fit about the UKIP policy of banning the Burkha yet you want a PR voting system that will give UKIP great sway when a right wing coalition comes into power. Make your mind up, you either want PR warts and all or you don't.