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I still don’t get why the VAR can’t just give that. Such a stupid implementation of video technology.

Good gravy!

Abysmal cricket.

England getting De Kock out with two balls.

I think there are a couple of factors which may prevent it from reaching her face.

I never said one missile could take out all the Jews, you've completely made that up. It's an Iranian missile with 'death to Israel' written on the side. Not 'only a couple of them', or 'only the Politicians' or 'only military targets. No - 'death to Israel'. And if you want to tell Hamas militants that them believing their own holy book is 'just daft', then I'd rather you tell them that than me. I never said anything of the sort, again completely made up. Look back up the thread if you interested, I've said from the start Israeli revenge will be ruthless, indiscriminate and innocent Palestinians will suffer. I have never defended any of that, what they do in the West Bank is human rights abuse. Whether Israel could live next to a peaceful Palestinian state, if Hamas theoretically didn't exist, I've genuinely no idea. We'll likely never know sadly. Because they don't want to, you want them to. What part of parasailing into a music festival, gunning down innocent teenagers and parading their bodies through the streets says, "hey, lets sit down and have a civilised chat." This argument has been done before with ISIS years ago. I don't conflate Jews and Israelis, those that want them dead do, that is literally my point. There are people out there who genuinely wish to kill British school children, who happen to share the same religion as the Israelis and nothing else. That's the conflation, it's not mine, it's that of the Hamas sympathisers. I haven't overlooked anything; the point being debated is the need for negotiation. If you want me to clarify that Israel's Bomber Harris like blitz of civilian areas in Gaza is wrong, I scarcely think that needs pointing out and as such I didn't. It's not a stupid question, they quite litterally want death, they are murderous terrorists. If you want to negotiate, you have to offer them something they want. You are offering them (I assume) zero dead Israelis and are therefore 100% on Israels side in this so called negotiation. The last bit is just whataboutery. I'm not even going to argue that it's wrong, all you're really proving there is that there is double the reason that peaceful negotiation is pretty much impossible.

Well there's the Holy book which commands death to not followers, for a start. Then there's the big Iranian missile with 'death to Israel' written in Hebrew on the side. Then there was the massive terrorist attack which killed over 1,000 innocent civilians, including children and the appaling videos of them being butchered as subhuman scum. Then there's the worldwide rise in anti-Semitic incidents, including threats to the safety of British children who attend Jewish schools but may well have absolutely zero links to Israel. Then there's the long standing denial by a large number of Gulf states that a Jewish state exists at all, with maps marked simply as 'occupied land' or left blank. Enough to be getting on with? No they don't. Why do Hamas have to negotiate, just because you want them to? Even if they did, I'll say the same as I did about Russia; what makes you think they'll pay any noticed what so ever to anything they pay lip service to in negotiation? I'll pose the same question that I posed to Sheaf. Hamas want all the Jews dead, Israel want none. How many Jews do you kill in your opening bid?

Quite clearly not but they are the ones doing the killing, which means they’re the ones you would have to negotiate with, if it were possible. I’m in favour of all of the second paragraph but it’s entirely missing the point; that’s not what Hamas want. It may be what ordinary Palestinians want but literally any agreement between Israel and Palestine will not prevent the rocket attacks and terrorist murders of Hamas, which Israel will respond to with force, so it’s an entirely moot point.

Hamas want all the Jews dead. Israel want none of the Jews dead. What would be your opening offer on this compromise, how many Jews should be killed?

Love a good fireworks display

Yeah but really though? Do you think some skinhead growing up on an estate in Derry in 1970 actually cred about Cardinal Wolsey, Anne Boleyn and Thomas Cromwell? Catholics and Protestant were just the team names.

Israel’s existence is the reason for Hamas’ existence. People want to join them to wipe Jews and/or the Jewish state off the face of the earth, I don’t know how many times it needs to be repeated before people get it. The Israeli retaliation will invariably make things worse but remember; the initial terror attack which killed 1500 innocent people, from a variety of different countries, happened first. Why do people want to join Al-Qaeda, Al-Shabaab, Boko-Haram or ISIS?

That bit’s easy, you just get the entire world to immediately give up religion and aggressive, tribal instinct.

They all had, rational goals which could be negotiated, which gives some ground for a compromise to be met. Hamas and Iran want the entire Jewish state wiped off the face of the Earth. They don’t want a free Palestine, they want a gone Israel.

If we’re going overseas, I’ll have those two Afghan openers.

I don’t mind the hatred of women, gays and basically anyone who’s educated and not a fanatical Muslim, but the c*nts are beating us at cricket.

Oh yes it can. There are plenty of people out there genuinely longing for Armageddon; judgement day so that whichever god they happen to believe in can grant them eternal paradise and punish the non believers.

That Indianapolis scene. Perfection.

Nigh on flawless, I can't help but 99.99% agree with you, but I'd have been holding that poison dart like my dong whenever Jet was on Gladiators.

Back on topic; in movies when a character drops something of critical importance to the plot, when they should be gripping it for dear life, with white knuckles. It’s perhaps the only blemish on the otherwise faultless Jaws.

They did have that weird phase of bottling it in the early 2000s though, then they got knocked out by England last time, the same day we lost 0-9 against Leicester.

It was a cracker, deserved a higher billing than a QF.

I still can't quite believe this.

No, he saved the lowest percentage of shots he has faced, in a very short sample of games. Not all shots are the same, you can't extrapolate that to making sweeping statements about everyone facing 100 shots.

Many Palestinians might want that but Hamas, backed by Iran, has no intention of allowing Israel to exist at all. There will never be peace.