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He is a far better finisher than anyone we have at the moment. On that basis alone we should sign him.

Does Nathan Jones press? I didn't realise this. I genuinely thought the tactic was to stand off with 5 at the back, wait for the opposition to give us the ball, and then hoof it 50yards and hope Che wins us possession before the oppo can recycle it...

If we can't beat Forest on Wednesday we are down imo.

Oh joy, another 9-0 castration on live TV to look forward to 😕

Disagree with that and think it's quite harsh. He always carried a threat at saints but was inconsistent. He's gone to Fulham, played regulary, and has developed and honed his attacking play. He's still young but clearly he would add something to saints given our wide attacking options currently are Ely, theo, edozie, Adam Armstrong... The only two of those that offer any kind of assist/goalscoring record at all are theo and Ely... Edozie may be able to beat a man, but his finishing is atrocious and I am yet to recall him completing an actual assist.

That isn't how loan deals work? If we recall him he has to come back - it's not a transfer, he is our player?

ABK and Sali can handle mitrovic ffs. Our issue is we have no CDM to speak off. So our defence is going to be exposed down both flanks and through the middle. They're being led to the slaughter every game as it stands. Realistically if we're going to turn this around and survive, we need to be getting a draw here and beating forest. A failure to win either of these games and we're fooked. And in reality, can I see a well honed Marco silva team losing to a low confidence Nathan Jones team... No. Its going to be a cake walk for silva/fulham - they beat Luton 7-0 last year 😬😑

From where we are right now approaching new years? Sack Jones. Rehire Ralph - it's his team and they know his tactics... Then actually buy him a decent striker (to replace ings) and get him a fit CDM ffs. Easily finish 15th or higher over the rest of the season and then go again next year with a fit and competent squad. If only we had done that rather than the actual calamity SR have presided over. When you look at this season, it's actually very difficult to imagine how they could have made a worse bunch of decisions than they have done.

And we sacked that mananger to bring in Jones... When all that was really needed was a proper striker in the summer.... And jones' previous side have improved since he left 🤣. I made the decision to not renew my season ticket after Puel's final home game. I didn't realise then quite what a good decision it would be. But puel was a terrible mananger and I couldn't bring myself to pay that money to watch that shite for another season... Although in fairness, puel is probably a better than Jones...

I wouldn't mind weghorst and tella from Burnley, and then a good cdm.

I thought of two other silver linings to the brighton game... 1.) It was only 3-1, our GD could well be important. 2.) it might actually be beneficial that the team put in such a shit performance before the window opens - should focus minds significantly. No need to thank me for cheering you all up with that positive non xG related insight, we're all in this together... 😇

I actually agree re the keeper. Bazunu or macca should be sufficient given the other gaping issues in our team. Truthfully the defence should be fine, but they have no protection from midfield. We have absolutely no central defensive midfield grit without lavia / romeu. No organisation, no holding man, no one to win and recycle possession. Its a huge huge issue for us and it means the defence are constantly exposed through the middle, or by a 10 spreading play to the flanks with minimal pressure. If lavia isn't fit or is leaving, we need to go out and get a proper CDM. Lavia, jwp, and an anchor would be a tasty trip regardless. And ffs, go out and sign a goalscorer. No excuse for at least one of the above not being in place for forest on the 4th. If that is in doubt then someone needs to go and light a bonfire under the board PDQ.

Yup I largely agree. And I don't get why people have such an anuerism over statistical analyses of the game. xG for example is a very useful statistic for looking at a team's actual threat in a match, and in a lot of ways is more useful than total shots, shots on target, and possession re attacking output. A team could have 60% possession and 20 shots for example, but if all of them are at 30yards and either easily saved or miss the target, who actually cares? Hmm, well that would probably correlate to anyone that actually enjoyed puel's football actually... Reality is, the only sliver of anything positive from that Brighton game was that we did show some threat on the attack, and we did limit them to clear cut chances. It's not his fault that bazunu was having haemorrhage. And sure Brighton could well have upped it, but we'll never know. Eitherway, we were far too easy to play through in the midfield, and our attackers still can't finish for toffee. The team selection was also absolute dogshit... Borderline inexcusable in fact. Except it is his 2nd real game... Who knows, maybe there is something in this view that he had never really seen the players competitively, time will tell. Anyway, people can keep complaining about the use of stats if they want, it's a free country. But I still think they add something to the general understanding of a given game, and their ever increasing use and popularity in all parts of football would support that.

Penalties aren't included in xG 😇 I'm not defending Jones, we were far to easy to play through. But we did do some decent attacking and with better players up front we'd have generated more chances / taken more of what we did generate. We were still to easy to play through, and the goals we conceded were embassingly soft.

Tbf to Jones, there was some promising signs against Brighton... We attacked and created over 2xG, we limited Brighton to under 1.... The issues were that we had no central defensive holding man, and our attacker's are all utterly shit at actually scoring. Plus bazunu looks like a broken kid at the back atm. We all know the issues. No CDM, and no strikers that can finish... Plus recalling tella is an absolute no brainer... Sadly I doubt we have the time or funds to get men in to address that and gel them together.

Main issues with this analogy. 1.) Hassenhuttle is a far better mananger than Jones. 2.) we need another ings, and it's going to cost serious money at this point - if one is even available and interested.

The rot started the summer les Reed told the fans, "no one will be sold". And then sold lambert the day after season ticket renewals closed. The rest is history. That summer absolutely shattered the bond between the fans and the promotion team and our atmosphere and chants have been poor (and getting worse since). The period that followed got us used to our "lucky to compete" mentality, with players coming to the club seeing us a stepping stone, only to be sold/leave at the first opportunity - to the point that now we have probably only one player that truly cares about the club (JWP), a load of disinterested average squad players, and some kids. Huge air of deja vu for me. We've appointed a weak mananger who is out of his depth, have a load of average squad fillers in the first team, and a fanbase that is so sick of it / apathetic that some of them would quite happily rip it all down to start again. Bleak years ahead I fear... But then we aren't down yet and we do have a January window to try and save the season. What's worse is we seem to have a total lack of leadership and direction - a chairman who is playing fantasy football with a cherry picked yes man mananger who is out of his depth, and signing players that aren't good enough for this level with no independant head of recruitment. Grim.

Koeman's Shane long would have been one of the best players in our current team.

By definition, a yoyo club is one that aims for 17th and misses 😅😜

If the club consider that we are going down (which looks like a close certainty), then they may well unfortunately be preparing for it now... And under than line of thinking there are definetly players they will want to shift off the wage bill - and for as much money as we can manage... Salisu sadly would be a prime example - contract running down and his value will only drop if we get relegated. Unlikely to renew as well given what a car crash we are as a club. I think it's therefore unlikely he will be here next season so the board could sell him now. I doubt kwp will stay to play championship football and is also probably on a fair whack, so another the board may decide to cash in on now... Grim times ahead regardless. Regarding funds for a rebuild, what happens with that £70-80M loan of we get relegated? Just an additional ball and chain around the clubs neck that we'll have to find the money to pay off whilst also cutting costs and trying to rebuild?

JWP is perfectly fine with a solid CDM next to him. But lavia is injured and we sold Romeu. So the reality is that next to him he has either diallo or ANM (both awful in that role), and in front of him he's working with Moi, Adam Armstrong, Che Adams etc. In the long list of issues Saints have, JWP isn't one or them.

Ideally we want forest and Bournemouth surely? Don't want to be competing with Everton in the championship personally.

Tough to disagree too much. I'd move DCC and S. Armstrong into the top bracket. I also think perraud is good enough for the prem (but he'll never be one of our best players). Edozie (at current level) and moi are passable for a relegation scrapping team... But when you have moi, edozie, Che, and Armstrong as your combined set of attacker's it's basically fatal to our survival chances sadly. We'll waste so many guilt edge chances it's not even funny. We only have lavia as a competent CDM. This is shocking from a recruitment perspective and a massive reason for why we have struggled. Defence should be fine. Not sure why Jones started lyanco though... GK needs to be better. We need reinforcements at the start of January regardless of who the manager is.

The JWP header is a clear 1.0 on the xG stats (or near enough), and we had several other chances that would have pushed us over 2 - not least a couple of decent attacks soon after half time. We had 14 shots yesterday, 4 on target 🙄. As before, our finishing is horrendous. If anything you've just highlighted the value of xG as a stasticial viewpoint over supporter perception. Nice one 😜. Brighton's 0.91 total really does highlight what a horror show we had at the back for the first 2 goals yesterday, plus ofc a very tidy long range strike. Time to give bazunu a break surely? And we really cannot be dropping ABK for lyanco!

Spotted that did you? 🤣