Barry Sanchez

The fact still remains the happy ones fail to see or dont want to the valid reasons for a more reserved approched to the medias love in. So people on here genuinely believe we can compete for 4th place in years to come astounds me, we can but only with huge investment and the ability to retain our best players. Never going to happen when other teams are winning trophies is it unless we offer huge wages.

http://metro.co.uk/2012/08/17/gaston-ramirez-snubs-spurs-and-liverpool-to-sign-for-southampton-540202/ How is refusing Spurs or Liverpool and coming to us a furthering step, lets discuss this and not argue, hoe is that progression after a fantatsic Olympics?

On your basis of argument then have Ramirez and Osvaldo progressed their careers coming from Roma and Bologna? They were at similar or larger clubs than us.

Because Rodriguez and Clyne moved to us as an advancement in their careers, did the mentioned do that?

Really? I can assure you hand on heart Swansea fans will be talking about their Cup victory and European adventure far more than Newcastles sterling 4th years ago. I think you are being sold short.

That does not answer the question at all, they simply came here to play in the Premier League? Thats it, is this why they cant be arsed now as they have fulfilled their dreams of playing in the "Best League" in the World?

David in Sweden stated why would a player want to leave us, I stated quite plainly at the top of the thread to win trophies, what trophy do we want to win as we obviously dont want to win what in many see the easiest to win, so are we that good are confident of winning the better Cup competition or even the League, we are not that stupid surely?

You are picking the League Cup as you think its the least attractive Cup to win, its attractive for the fans and players alike if they win it, especially if you have not won it, thats what I am saying. Why did Ramirez and Osvaldo come here then? To win what?

I'm not moaning, I am putting a balanced argument (my opinion) out there as afterall its a forum, its the people unable to discuss other opinions I worry about. They delete or airbrush history to fit in with their selfish one eyed argument, its as funny as it is sad.

Really? Its one more trophy of a real standing than we have won for 37 years, ask Swansea and Wigan fans what they think of it?

And I just happen to think it is filling a page and am not that impressed by it, sending a wag a birthday card? Ok thats fine, whats next? Christmas vouchers for them in a couple of weeks? You appear to be easily impressed my boy.

A player who wants to win trophies? We made no attempt to win the League Cup did we?

All it shows is how fickle the press and supporters are, progression is attempted by every club. Whilst good things are happening other things concern me like the poor expensive signings we have made, if they can accept the plaudits for Lovren they can expect **** their way for Mayuka, Ramirez, Forren and Osvaldo.

Jimmy Case for Wanyama. Mark Wright for Fonte. Danny Wallace for whatever formation is being played, in short over Lallana, Rodriguez or Ward-Prowse. Le Tissier obviously would walk into this team on talent but who could he replace, there are better players in every position in the last 30 years than this current side.

Small dogs, angry mobile windscreen cleaners.

A Sotonian mocking Glasgow for being backward is not only ironic its totally incorrect, and more importantly completely insensitive.

I gave up sort of 2 years ago but nearly always have a smoke when I have a bevy, just one or two and I can not take the grief off the wife, chewing gum helped well sort of.

fur lined hats, ski jackets designed for -25, is this needed? Is it just me who gets ****ed off by this complete limpness at not even cold weather? In Liverpool right now its 9 degrees and there are people all around looking as if they are in the Polar region, come tomorrow night the same people will harden up and be wearing nothing for a night on the town.

Chelsea got that for two seasons, Chelsea have always been very well supported.

Arsenal have never had a good atmosphere compared to other clubs of their size nowhere near it, awful atmospheres everywhere really nowadays but years gone by the best teams in London for atmosphere were Spurs, Chelsea, West Ham and Millwall, the biggest reason for this is then they had large working class fanbases, changed now much to the detriment of the game.

You miss the point, you are the new generation, football now is too clean, sterile and pure. In short crap.

Do you think Cortese and Reed bought him? Who sought Ramirez? Adkins?

Excellent news, get him off the wage bill and sign a fit enthusiastic player who fits in with our program, hopefully someone other than Cortese or Reed signs the player this time.

The modern football fan, **** e.

1500 o'clock kick offs, one live terrestrial game a week, safe standing, more English players in your clubs team and a better national side, I could quite happily live with that, in fact **** this **** off and let's get it.