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Oh please let this happen. Please.

Ha! Good effort. But don't mind them, they mean no harm. Just typical English p*ss take. Take it as a right of passage - if you get the mick taken out of you, that means you've made it through to the inner sanctum of Saintsweb. It's like an initiation. Are you making it out to the Arsenal game? A few of us are meeting up at the Compton Arms near Highbury & Islington tube, and you're welcome to join us and experience some more English 'humour' (if you dare) PM me if you'd like the details. But if not - have a great trip, and hopefully we'll win a game for once!

Ha. The *****ly isn't an offensive word before anyone starts getting hot under the collar. The sentence should read: you guys are so pr*ckly.

Mischievous? Blimey. First I'm flippant, now I'm mischievous...and only at best. Hate to think what worst might be. You guys are so *****ly. There was no mischief in my post. Whelk asked my opinion and gave it in relatively broad terms. Cologne can't be discussed without looking at the wider context in my opinion. The whole situation is fraught with challenges. 'Closing doors on Europe' is a phrase I've seen around, so I was covering that off. Merkel's response was a consequence of the humanitarian issue (and other German needs). That makes the connection, regardless of who the perpetrators of this crime were, absolutely relevant. There's nothing in your response I would massively disagree with.*Don't be so defensive; I've not accused you or anyone else of anything. To respond to Sour Mash on my comment about Russia + Assad + IS against the Syrian population - no, doesn't make much sense to me either, but those are the reports coming out of the country. Watch a couple of short clips here: It's civilian journalism, and a lot of unsubstantiated claims, but it's an eye opener and gives important context.

Flippant? You're accusing me of being flippant?? Don't put words into my mouth, sunshine. I may use more measured language than you, but there's nothing flippant in my response to rape or this issue. We have a world wide crisis. We currently have a situation where 4 million people have fled a nation of 25 million because their government and the Russians are bombing them, while supporting IS to continue their abuse and destruction. You think you can just ignore this? Hope they'll go away? Let them drown? You think the world allowing this situation to continue is going to solve the problem of IS? You're living in a vacuum if you think it's just a problem in a far away country and all we need to do is shut our doors. The world has a responsibility to tackle this issue, not least because it needs to protect its own citizens. Takes some arrogance to preach to a woman about the seriousness of rape.

Thanks for asking. Pretty much what Verbal said above in response to SOG. Horrendous situation - not comparable on any level with a drunken Sat night in England. As Verbal said, very reminiscent of the stories from female Western journalists out of Cairo, which horrified me at the time. Clearly caught German police unaware on the night and handled really badly afterwards. (Arm's length? Good lord). But the backward repressed attitude towards women from Middle Eastern countries is not new news to us, and European Governments need to plan how to tackle issues like this so they can respond more proactively. But it's a problem - no question. An example of how bad it can go. BUT. Not for a nano second would I believe that this is reason why Europe shouldn't assistant in what is one of the biggest humanitarian crisis of our time. To seriously suggest we should be closing the doors of Europe to those pouring out of Syria is inhumane and short sighted, much as the current situation is fraught with problems. It is my belief (rightly or wrongly) we need to be taking more responsibility for these issues. Learning from previous mistakes, and putting concerted effort into all avenues. And I don't believe more dictators is the answer either.

I'm plenty chilled out thanks. Not sure what your point has got to do with anything beyond a failed attempt at trying to wind me up. You'll need to try harder than that!

Nice guy.

Are you for real? Did you really just use the phrase "getting a bit rapey" is a post where you're seemingly expressing concern for women? Do you realise how disgusting that is, particularly in this context? Good god.

I'm at the point where I'm with you on that. Good god.

Hahhahahah! Funniest thing I've read all year. Happy New Year Turkish!

Haha! (I see your line of thinking FF, but it's about 20 years out of date...) Anyway, Koeman not ruling out spending money in January... Koeman says he won't panic in the January transfer window, but will wait to see how @GPelle19 and Jay Rodriguez recover. #saintsfc*

Plus they had an extra half day recovery time....

I laughed when he gave Clasie a hard time for walking across the pitch to come off (not realising he was being subbed)...

What if Koeman doesn't select him - has he still got to get the 12 goals? If he manages that then I'd bump his value up to £50million.

You guys are nuts! I'd pay £12million of my own money just to watch Shane Long a few times each a season. He was so much fun yesterday. I love his style - brave, risk taking, annoying, and bloody fast! I just hope he can do it more consistently, because we really need him now...

I'd feel bad for their stupidity if it wasn't very very offensive. Good god.

Oh, oh, OH !! Not enough warning BTF !!!

I'm not.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of a good old CBFry rant. I find your writing style pretty entertaining. And I like to read a badly thought through argument being picked apart. But that's enough to win the debate, without all the humiliation sh*t. Letting anyone get your goat is a sign of failure

Particularly given the subject matter of this thread. Unedifying is the word. Fair play SOG for not letting it get through to you. It would if it were me.

TwoPints, I appreciate your polite reply - thanks! Excuse me if my reply is much shorter and I don't do a tidy copy and paste response, but I'm on an iPad and formatting on this is a nightmare. All I can say is this - my loathing for STW has spanned over a good decade. Well before I ever became aware of Jeremy Corbyn (who is my MP and who I have voted for). Also, comments I make on the subject on here, are my personal opinions and not connected to whatever Corbyn based agenda you are seeing on this site. In reality, I'm still working Corbyn out - at the least he's weak for not cutting out those objectionable opinions. What I've not yet decided is, is he more than just weak. My opinion seems to alter on a daily basis. That he works with the likes of Seamus Milne (nasty man) is pretty concerning. But there's plenty of nasty coming out of STW. Official quotes on their website equate to more than one or two objectionable people. Not so say there aren't good people involved. But there is an underbelly of an anti western agenda as the article Verbal pasted highlighted. There is a lot more evidence for this that is easily accessible. I'd copy and paste into this message if it wasn't for the fact that every time I open a new window on this damn iPad it reloads and I lose what I've typed! But you don't me - try google. I don't understand why you're so shocked by me saying they are ugly. Saying they are as ugly as they come is a turn of phrase and to assume that means I'm comparing them unfavourably to despots is a bit of a leap. I could also say a few of the exchanges on here are as ugly as they come - safer to assume I'm comparing forums rather than comparing those on here with murderous dictators. You're making the mistake of picking out one poster, and merging their thoughts with others on here who appear in similar territory. That's not me.

Well, I didn't reference Corbyn, I was referencing Stop The War, although the fact he supports them says a lot about what goes on behind his soft cuddly exterior. And by raising the question, I can only assume you've not read many opinions coming out of STW. This isn't a peace loving organisation who have been involved in negotiations with unsavoury types in the quest to fulfill its peace loving objectives. This is an organisational that actively and openly supports anyone who is against the West, that uses a language of violence, that calls terrorists murdering civilians 'freedom fighters'. That alone should be enough to make you question their intentions, and quash the little - yes but David Cameron has met unsavourily people too - thought bubbling in your head. I'm no Cameron fan either, but really. These people are as ugly as they come.

I'll play devils advocate on this one. (Not that you're the devil SOG!) I hate anyone telling me what to do/how I should react to anything. If I were abroad and a bunch of Brits did something as awful as this (I'm not religious, so this is the closest example), I would naturally recoil in horror and condemning what had happened would be instinctive. However, if people around me then starting viewing me with suspicion, and as an individual (not a politician or leader) I was repeatedly asked to condemn what these people had done, it would inevitably get my back up, and I wouldn't feel treated as an individual anymore. After 9/11 the amount of leaders or opinion formers talking to the media who squirmed in their seats when asked to condemn, giving every excuse under the sun for what happened was a massive eye opener. But that's different to free individuals feeling pressurised to express anything. Oh, and when they do, it gets ignored: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslim-anti-isis-march-not-covered-by-mainstream-media-outlets-say-organisers-a6765976.html

This quote from that article pretty much sums it up: “Stop the War is not anti-war,” said James Bloodworth, the former editor of the Labour-supporting blog, Left Foot Forward. “It is anti-West. It does not appear to object unduly to wars when it is the enemies of the West that are doing the killing.” I can understand why STW had so much public support - you can't really argue with stopping wars. But there's enough information in the public domain coming from that group for the public to start getting savvy. This is not a nice group of people.