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"From the Islamic perspective it's not good to use violence or bear arms against anyone, regardless of their faith, and no life should be killed unjustifiably." Imam Asim Hafiz, Muslim Chaplain to the Military http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/priests/armychaplains_1.shtml

[quote=CB Fry;2275081 Funny really - Islamic terrorism is not religious but the second world war was. Was that what I said ? Or was it that God was invoked by both sides to bolster support for their participation - even the atheistic Soviet Union 'rediscovered' religion as a prop for the Great Patriotic War.

First point - they are sociopathic bullies, plain and simple. Second point - why do you deliberately misconstrue something just to provoke argument ? Maybe the following will help, ( courtesy of Bob Dylan ) : Oh my name it is nothin' My age it means less The country I come from Is called the Midwest I's taught and brought up there The laws to abide And the land that I live in Has God on its side. Oh the history books tell it They tell it so well The cavalries charged The Indians fell The cavalries charged The Indians died Oh the country was young With God on its side. The Spanish-American War had its day And the Civil War too Was soon laid away And the names of the heroes I's made to memorize With guns on their hands And God on their side. The First World War, boys It came and it went The reason for fighting I never did get But I learned to accept it Accept it with pride For you don't count the dead When God's on your side. When the Second World War Came to an end We forgave the Germans And then we were friends Though they murdered six million In the ovens they fried The Germans now too Have God on their side. I've learned to hate Russians All through my whole life If another war comes It's them we must fight To hate them and fear them To run and to hide And accept it all bravely With God on my side. But now we got weapons Of the chemical dust If fire them we're forced to Then fire them we must One push of the button And a shot the world wide And you never ask questions When God's on your side. In a many dark hour I've been thinkin' about this That Jesus Christ Was betrayed by a kiss But I can't think for you You'll have to decide Whether Judas Iscariot Had God on his side. So now as I'm leavin' I'm weary as Hell The confusion I'm feelin' Ain't no tongue can tell The words fill my head And fall to the floor If God's on our side He'll stop the next war.

1) What do Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, and Libya have in common ? 2) Muslims died in Paris, on 7/7, on 9/11, on the trains in Madrid, and in countless bombings in the Middle East and Africa over the last few years. 3) Terrorists find religion a convenient excuse for their actions, and a lever with which to provoke interracial tensions - they corrupt and pollute it's teachings to try to justify the unjustifiable. 4) Israel's existence is similarly a convenient diversionary excuse. 5) ( Not sure what you're getting at here ) 6) No need to go back 100 years, Christianity has been highjacked in all major conflicts of the last 200 years; without invoking Godwin's Law, how many people died in God's name in the 2 World Wars ? Does this make me a 'Muslim apologist' ?

They're probably all we've got available.

Cardinal

For all the complaints about possible penalties, the home side MUST have more than 1 ( weak ) effort on target in a full match.

On today's showing he shouldn't be in the squad.

We are going to get out of this match exactly what we deserve.

If Juanmi isn't better than Long we should get rid.

Anders Breivik ? The Lord's Resistance Army ?

"Aren't we blessed to have imported Islam to our doorsteps". @SourMash post#812

Do you actually know any Muslims ? Or do you have Muslim neighbours ? Do you run and hide when you see a woman in a burqa walking down the street ?

Let's hope they're bombing the right targets.

Nothing has changed, ( allegedly ).

A commentator on the BBC radio news said the weapons were probably sourced from the local criminal underworld, with whom the terrorists made acquaintance whilst in jail.

With regard to the 'immigrant / terrorist' issue, Abdelhamid Abaaoud was born and raised in Belgium. His father moved there in 1975. It would seem the issue may rather be the radicalisation of 'home grown' disaffected teens. Edit; sorry if I've simply reiterated something that has already been added to the thread, but it is getting difficult to separate the discussion from the b!tching.

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Exactly the sort of response IS are looking to provoke ; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34840896 "Ballymena attack: Muslim family's home 'targeted' by petrol bombers"

What would you think the stats for these opinions would be for any other ethnic grouping ?

The same poll, of 1000 people by COMRES, shows 95% show a loyalty to Britain, and 93% say that Muslims should always obey British law.

Try not to be so selective in your quoting : "I think you have to have security that prevents people firing off weapons where you can, there are various degrees for doing things as we know. But the idea you end up with a war on the streets is not a good thing." This makes sense to me. How many Jean Charles de Menenzes' will the public tolerate ?

Wars in which many tens of thousands of Muslim soldiers died fighting on our side.